Test 5 is called Numeric Projection Evaluation. In it we need to complete 10 number sequences within 5 minutes. You can skip through if you become stuck but will get a zero for that question.
Sayid'sGirl has told us that someone over at Unifiction has translated the Morse code it gives us a cryptic clue to the cheat :
Click here to read test 5’s cheat hint.
THE CHEAT IS IN THE SEQUENCE BUT THE SEQUENCE IS THE ANSWER
Click here to read test 5’s cheat.
There appear to be two types of sequence, ordinary numerical ones which use standard mathematics.
There are also a sequence, seemingly always in question 7, that seems impossible. This is a Conway Sequence like 31 1311 111321 - you have to say what you see in these sequences -
31 = one 3 and one one = 1311
111321 = Three 1, one three, one two and one one = 31131211
There are 6 groups; Chronos, Nyx, Chaos, Aether, Hemera, and Oranos
*Thanks to Sayid'sGirl for e-mailing about the update, and blinking square in the video, and thanks to EmeraldIsLost for posting the SpoilerTV link.
147 comments:
You sneek this in during commercials. :)
Mhm, and I have auto refresh in Firefox, so DWY started screaming at me all of a sudden....LOL
ooo Hans is mad go Black Swan!
I think I'll wait for awhile to see if there's a cheat. :)
I'm just getting the loading...loading...loading...thing! Think I'll wait a while.
Wow ... I'm really excited! :)
I'm going to wait for someone to post a link to a document with all the answers. I did really badly in Test 4!
I'm going to have to wait 'til after Big Brother to try to watch the video. My computer is really slow, so I didn't get the gist of the Test 4 video. It stuttered a lot on my computer and I missed about every other word, so I will depend on the Lost ARG to analyze the video for Test 5.
Will check back with you later! :)
Did anyone see the flashing square in the bottom right corner of the new video message? Morse Code anyone?
I'm in Chronos. From wiki: Chronos is said to be the personification of time. His name actually means "time."
I got a really crummy score, but I don't really care at this point. I'm sure Hans will appreciate that I didn't cheat! LOL
Main post is now updated...who knows Morse Code?
tvb: Yeah, I saw that flashing. Over at Dark's they think it's Morse Code. Maybe that's where the cheat info is.
*I was trying to figure out the morse code but it's awfully fast and I have no way to slow it down here. I hope someone figures it out. Do you think they know I'm cheating muwahhhaaaaa lol
I know it's too fast for me too. I think I got a # 5 out of it though. Not sure.
I got a 60% and am in Chaos. Post your groups when you get them please. Also FYI the last few questions you literally get seconds to solve not 5 min!
Well, while we are all trying to locate a military person to translate Morse for us, take this test.
http://www.dharmawantsyou.com/site/?utid=371276578724700163319269779975#/qp
And tell me what you think.
It's 5 minutes for all 10 not 5 minutes for each question. (OK. I'm still here, but only because the Fringe blog is even slower. sigh)
Oh yeah. I got 70 and I'm in the group Hemera.
Yippee. 5 minutes of somethingto do and now we get to wait another week.
Since Mittlewerk was once of the cheat codes, could he be the black swan? That seems too obvious, though, doesn't it? Maybe it's Alvar Hanso taking Dharma back?
So Hans says "don't investigate any cheat codes you come across". Isn't that like leaving a 2-year-old alone in a room with some candy and telling them not to eat it?
lol ange
When you said I'm in chaos I thought you meant you were in chaos. Not in the group chaos.
Well, both are apt today SayidsGirl :D.
I think I'm going to wait for the code to be cracked before I take the test. The cheat didn't work for me in the last test. That is if you only get one chance to cheat.
Chaos here.
Hey, is anyone still "unassigned" on any of their tests? I am yet to get a group on the Pressurized Spatial Judgment Eval.
So groups so far:
Chaos
Chronos
Aether
Hemera
Any more?
I am convinced now that the black swan is trying to tell us that we need to cheat so Hans can't go through with an evil plan....
Lisa, you're going to craphole island's jail for sure.... or maybe in a cage with Sawyer at the Hydra (not so bad:)
BTW I'm kind of glad it updated earlier this week instead of the usual 11:15 pm eastern. Even though it interferes with Fringe.
I let my non-cheater account take the test, but waiting for my codysmom cheat-all-the-way account to know the cheat. white dot flashing = def. morse code, but seems to be going so fast!
Do we think the update happening while Fringe was on is a coincidence?... lol
hummm locked in a cage with Sawyer, where is that damn cheat ! I need it now now now people !!!
I think I got it!!
I was thinking dots and dashes and pushed the - button and time reversed!!!!!
What button?
lol, lisa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I think I pushed the period key first... can't remember.... I was flustered that I was logged onto my non-cheater acct. and logged out fast... duh
going back there now
the dash hyphen button
nm, I'm an idiot... of course time would go backwards... duh
Ok cool. Should I do it as soon as I start the test. Oh and should we be discussing this, in case others want to figure it out on their own?
lolol I put too much pressure on you, be calm. I will go get some sleep and give you some time to work it out. I want the new cheat on my desk by morning. Sawyer is waiting for me !!
CEO Out :-)
Got any more details on that CodysMom liek when did you push it, etc?
Goodnight, Lisa!!
naw, ange... I was being stupid... not the cheat
Oh darn. lol
I think we'd need someone to download the vid and put in slo-mo to get the morse code.. I don't have a program that can do that, I don't think
my boy friend drives a bus ( don't tell Sawyer ) and he gets up at 4:30 am and I'm the time keeper so I have to get some sleep. Night night
No worries CodysMom, you probably tuckered your brain out with your Myspace edits!
I'm off to bed too. E-mail or post your groups when you get them and I'll do a poll in the morning.
my lips are sealed:) nite, CEO..
site's going slow now..
nite, ange... yeah, I have fried brain syndrome..
nobody has it at dark's either... I agree with this that Samuel said over there:
"..... the new DI is -actually- Mittelwerk's company after the original TLE, and -THAT- is why Black Swan is trying to get word to us using that name as the clue?"
yep that's what I think...
So you think Mittlewerk is Hans' boss and Black Swan is trying to stop both of them? Ineresting. I wonder who Black Swan is? It would be cool if it was Sam Thomas.
I like that idea, sayid'sgirl...
I guess either everyone's gone to bed or chatting about Fringe..
I agree it would be a good story is Mittlewerk is behind the new DI. And an even better one would be Sam or Rachel trying to let us know!
I want our black swan to be a real "black swan event"... totally unexpected and cool... like Ben or Locke..or how about Jack.. lol (I know, that'll never happen:)
reported at dark's, a cheat, haven't read it yet:
http://wikibruce.com/2008/09/dharma-wants-you-task-5-cheat/
I am usually just a browser on here, but I just did Test 5 and was placed into a different group than everyone has above - My group is Nyx.
hi matt... thanks!
Doh! I leave a while and look what happens. No wonder I didn't notice if this happened when Fringe was on. Ok now to DWY to check this out.:)
hello codysmom
that last one was @ 90%. I just took it again and got 100% and I am still in Nyx.
Just checked Dark's site, but I don't see a cheat yet. They did discover the source of the group names however- Greek Primordial Gods
Apparently there are 10 and so far all the ones mentioned here check out. Ok off to try the test.
Ok well I took the test-80% and am in Oranos, which is not listed as one of the 10 Greek Primordial gods...so what does that mean?
Maybe I have been singled out for immediate dismissal from the program due to my cheating and dismal # of Dharma points. :P
Aahhh, Oranos is a form of Uranus, which is one of the 10. I'm not sure that makes me feel any better.
Google Conway Sequence
from darkufo...
they've got it
I'm in Oranos too. That test was a doozy! lol I did badly.
I'm just uploading a you tube version of the video I'll put it on the main blog page as soon as it is ready.
I've updated the main post as Sayid'sGirl has sent us details of the Morse code Translation
I think I see what the hint is saying now, there are two types of question.
The first type is a normal numerical adittion/ sub traction / multiplication type sequence, the other seems inmpossible, but it isn't.
I'll put my thought on the main blog post in the hidden link and if anyone wnats to read it and challenge it, please let the admins know.
I'm in Nyx by the way
Sorry Codysmom, I've just read your post above, and there is a real name for the sequence !
You tube is taking soooo long to process my video.
Looks like I'm on my own at the moment, so sorry for the multiple posts.
So are they going to give us the boot for cheating? (those that did that is.)
anonymous, good question - either it is a straight laced, if you cheat your out statement, or it is a double bluff and the ones they actually want are the cheaters.
Work have just told me they want me to go to India again for a couple of weeks at the end of September, so I'll be able to say Namaste for real.
Thanks to Matt for posting the final group. I've put up a poll, go add your group...please :D.
Cool news Zort! Well, maybe not the having to work whilst there part, but India, excellent.
The questions don't seem to repeat the same sequences but do repeat the type of sequence, I think I've identified about 14 different types so far.
e.g.
24 26 28 30 32 - 34 (add 2 each time)
3 0 3 0 3 - 0 (simple repeating pattern)
20 80 320 1280 5120 - 20480 (multiply by 4 each time)
Plus question 7 of course :-)
codysmom
Looks like we both found the cheat at about the same time. I found it over at ITE though. I didn't understand what it meant. Good job finding it on google. Have you tried it yet? I'll look into it after I get my daughter off to school.
Ok, one more day I wake up to a lot of excitement I missed...I hate being in Europe!!!Also, a math test!!???WHY!??I hate maths AND am sick of tests....ugh, off I go then!
codysmom
Conway's sequence may be called Conway's constant. But I like Desmond's constant better. I'm still not sure if I understand it.
sayidsgirl, its simple, turn words into numbers, eg:
13 One 1 and One 3 = 11 and 13= 1113
1113 three ones and one three = 31 and 13 = 3113...ans so on
3113 = one three 13
two ones 21
one three 13
Result 132113
ANM
Thanks. I'd kinda work that out. But I'm not sure how that will be used in the test. Is it used in all the questions or just one like the other cheats. zort said something about qestion 7. Because I don't see how this sequence works based on the first question.
Apparently it only works into certain question(s), the rest are the ususal math secuences with different degrees of difficulty
11, 21, 1211 = 111221
12, 1112, 3112 = 132112
13, 1113, 3113 = 132113
21, 1211, 111221 = 312211
23, 1213, 11121113 = 31123113
31, 1331, 111321 = 31131211
32, 1312, 11131112 = 31133112
33, 23, 1213 = 11121113
These are some of the sequences that have come up!
Well I'm off to take the test. Maybe once I get started I'll get it. Others have been getting pretty good scores without the cheat maybe I will too. :)
Ok just took the tests with my secondary account, 90% 43 secs remaining assigned to Oranos!
I'm so going to be a Dharma ditch digger. lol
I suck at math.
I'm not even sure I want to do this.
I answered 5 questions and got 2 right maybe three and I had about a minute and a half left then I quit the test.
Here's my cheat I'll give someone my log in and you can do the test for me. lol Just kidding. :)
Back to try again.
Ok I got 70% Which is pretty good for me.
I'm in Oranos.
I checked the leader board, Lisa is at # 3 now and Dark is still at # 2.
Well I got 90% and Im in Oranus too!!Ok, my BSWY account is but still...obviously results dont matter much uh?
yeah damn him !!! I tried hard to beat him but he has everyone taking his test and I only have my cheat to do it. Oh well, maybe next time I will beat him.
i don't really see how working out one particular sequence which is different from all the others can be called a 'cheat', even the cheats are getting less good..
i'm in Oranos in both my accounts; how boring.
I find that 'conway's constant' thing interesting though; yay Desmond brother! heehee
ANM; i feel your pain about missing everything because of being in Europe, lol; i was asleep when all the recent action happened, hehe!
Yawn!!!! I stayed up so late last night that I'm still trying to wake up:) I'll need to be wide awake to do a MATH test, so I'll probably not even try 'til later.
In my half-asleep haze while browsing the comments the thing that stood out to me was sayid'sgirl's excellent idea to give someone else my login and let them do it... lol
I see my "officers" are here.. (waves) lol
Oh, Lisa at #3 on the leader board!! That's still a jump up... congrats!!
@zort70; according to darkufo there are 10 different types of sequences; which are then randomnly generated; or thats what they found in the source code; its in this post:
http://lostoctagonglobalrecruiting.blogspot.com/2008/09/test-5-question-and-answer-compilation.html
Welcome back! I too am too sleepy to try the test on my main account, and I keep hoping someone will come up with a better cheat! I HATE math so this test....not feeling the love!
why thank you Codysmom I'll keep trying till make it to number 2 but I think BadNumber is going to stay at #1 no matter what I get for points. so I will settle for #2
noticed something; on question 7 the previous numbers are 'clickable'; or at least a hand symbol appears when you put your mouse over them, so they should be, except nothing happens when you do actually click; hmm. 'THE CHEAT IS IN THE SEQUENCE' ?!
oh wait; i'm not logged in; maybe it will do something if i am..
nope; haha; i think theres something in this though
And that's why you are our CEO, lisa... lol (still going for that #2 spot)
I'm messaging with someone on the black swan myspace and he admits not being good at math (I guess there are a lot of us:), but he's working on how this all fits in he said:
"It is not to understand the theory of Conway, but the mechanism behind, the numbers, the constant and the cosmic order of Lost or should I say of DI ?!"
He thinks "outside the octogon".. lol
A math test? I'm not in the mood for a math test. . . maybe later this week.
I really sucked on this math test...why can't they have a mah jongg test? LOL
I'm basically just doing what's required of me to stay in the game (not really caring about my scores since I would never be able to beat most of you). I'm waiting for the story behind all of this.
maven said....
I'm waiting for the story behind all of this.
That's how I feel, too. But, the tests could also reveal a clue to the story behind it...
Codysmom: I am taking the tests and paying attention to what's going on. But I remember the TLE days when we were going all over the internet...looking at potential sites, researching information, etc. This thing is very static so far. I'm waiting for it to "open up" and give us something more than just taking tests and wondering what group we're in.
OT: Michael Emerson got the cover story in "The Envelope" section of the LA Times today.
Thanks for that link to the article, maven.. (anm would especially love it:) and with what I said earlier, I still agree with you. My brain isn't the type to be able to grasp the bigger story that may link the tests to the truth behind the DI, but one of the BSWY friends is working on a theory. Hope it pans out..
btw, according to my own research; its called the 'look and say sequence', as the 'conway sequence' is the look and say sequence generated from a starting digit of 3, only.
Grr i feel like i'm so close to finding this cheat but i just can't! its sooo frustrating.
hehehe; read this;
http://docs.google.com/View?docid=dg28ghpw_1gxpzffxd
'blackswanned' heehee
Ange, test 5 working for me now.Sorry to be such a pest.
Maven,I would probably do better on a Mah jongg test too,and I don't think I've ever played.
where'd you find that, emeraldislost??
blackSwanned = true;
lol!
dark ufo; cypher80b's work; here;
http://lostoctagonglobalrecruiting.blogspot.com/2008/09/test-5-is-up.html?showComment=1221667800000#c5250366620117917543
oh, thanks!
TAV: You're NOT a pest LOL. I appreciate your diligence any time!
email!!...
xxoo
I'm in the Chaos group...hmmm, wonder what that means?
xxoo
Maven I love you!!That M.Emmerson articke made my week!*drools*
Anyways this is the first time since this whole ARG started that there seems to be a cheat that we haven't fully grasped by Wed afternoon...I'm tempted to wait another day to take Test 5 although perhaps that will affect my group??I got the hands over the numbers in question 7 too but clicking did nothing so.....Oh DarkUFO we need your guidance(cheat)lol
Hola, love to Sayid'sGirl for the morse translation, you saved this Lost fan a lot of time and energy (A LOT as I suck at Morse).
yeah. most people seem to think that solving the 7th sequence IS the cheat, but it just seems like we're missing something; usually finding the cheat is acknowledged, by the screen swivelling or something, at least; it helps beyond pure logic of finding an answer, like the word 'cheat' intends. i don't feel i've 'blackswanned' the DI yet on this one.
Don't know about this anm, but it shows more than one score at the bottom if you take the test multiple times this time around, so maybe taking the test beyond the first time counts this time. Can't be sure though, lol.
Oh YEAH!!!Got 100% y'all!!!Lol, the 46 question list over at DarkUFO helped hehehe...however I was placed in oranos...AGAIN!Which sucks cause I wanted one of the less common groups...I even had 2:40 mins left...why!!????????????????????
Runs back to reas about Mr.Emmerson aka Hotness impersonated..*drools*
haha, you're in uranus, hehehe
wow, congrats on the 100%, i think i'm too impatient to get that high a score, lol.
I jusy wrote down all the submitted possibilities and checked for repeated questions...got about 7 plus the fibonacci,Conway and a 111111 so I didn't get to think much ;P
nick123 said:
Hola, love to Sayid'sGirl for the morse translation, you saved this Lost fan a lot of time and energy (A LOT as I suck at Morse).
Thanks for the love nick, but it wasn't my translation. I just found a link to unifiction at ITE. The guy who did all the work over there deserves all the love.
So sleepy............
Codysmom,
I sent you a job application at your Black Swan my space page.If you can pull up my photo.
Took test 5 and I'm going to need a little help.so far I'm in Oranos.
Maven thanking you in advance for the M.E. article.
I'm off to read it now.
@codysmom let me know what kind of picture you want (people, cast, landscape etc) and I will find you one!....How about a lake landscape with a black swan in it...or something along those lines? BS headquarters..mmmm
I found some black swan art with lots of blue!
Just another pic of a black swan with lots of blue!!
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/21/24861974_0883808f5a.jpg?v=0
AT LAST!!!!!
someone has figured out the cheat; we were on the right lines with the clickable sequence; follow this link:
http://www.spoilertv.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=98&t=3518
gives you 100%; i've tried it and it works- Perfect!!
Damn, I knew I should have waited...oh well I got a 100% anyways...what group you in emeraldislost?
BTW I found some intriguing info on my group's God Uranus/Ouranos:
The function of Uranus is as the vanquished god of an elder time, before real time began.
Also he was credited with being the father of most of the myth characters we've seen as group names so far...mmmm.
Also I'm sure someone has already noticed the number of groups each test follow a simple numerical sequence too (Test nº plus one. So test 5= 6 groups...yeah, I've been keeping tabs on that, that's how bored I am...)
wow, that works perfectly...
We're all in Uranus...yay¿?
EmeralsIsLost thanks for posting that link! I really like how they clearly explain what to do. I've updated the main post with the information.
You know, Test 5 doesn't say that only the first score will count, like other tests have stated. As a matter of fact it lets you compare your current best to what you did in past tries. I say we all give the cheat a go.
100% with and without cheat...no group changes though
Well guys I just finished my test at DWY?
Anybody wanna try it?
http://www.dharmawantsyou.com/site/?utid=460998028416795951088821029293#/qp
ok then off to Zz land...will be travelling tomorrow so I might go MIA for a veeeerry little while lolz
ANM treasurer to the pennyless BSWY
@passafist - took your test! Wow, guess I know more than I thought...
60% (unreal!) fun!!
xxoo
Emeraldislost,
Thanks,for your help.I couldn't get the cheat to work,but looked up your answers really fast,and got 100%.(after many tries).I am still in Oranos.
Pasafist,you made it just in time.
You look like a man who could use a few Dharma points.I'll see what I can do.
I hope you guys are doing well.
Passafist: I took your test. And true to my previous word I do not report scores unless they're 100! Guess what...no report! LOL
Takes a village: I had trouble with the cheat at first because I wasn't understanding what I was meant to be doing. Then I realized that when the cheat refers to button0 button1 button2 it means you need to actually click on the three numbers in problem #7 on the screen, not enter the numbers with the keyboard.
Well, I click on the numbers and nothing happens. I just don't get it!
The 3 numbers in the sequence are hidden “Buttons” like you would click on to post your comment or close a window.
So the first # of the question is “button 1” which = the numeral 1
2nd # is “button 2” = the numeral 2
3rd# is “button 3” = the numeral 3
So click the “Buttons” instead of typing your answer.
Try it without logging in first. You can skip to question 7 then use the cheat if you did it correctly (Don’t type in the answer or hit enter) after a few seconds it will take you directly to the finish screen with 100%
Hope this helps.
It isn't an easy one at all Maven. It took me a couple tries. Nothing will happen when you click the numbers, but if you get it right it will give you an immediate 100% and the test is over. Try this:
1. Look at the link to all of the possible answers for #7.
2. Begin the test, and skip through all the questions until you get to 7.
3. Then select the answer from the list in the link. (you'll have almost the full 5 min to find it if you skipped through.
4. Now, for example, if the were 111221 you would click on the numbers on the screen in this order: 1st# 1st# 1st# 2nd# 2nd# 1st#.
I stink at math and have been away from the game for 2 weeks. There is so much to do!! I feel sorry for everyone who is here everyday!
Yes, sorry if I confused anyone you still have to get the correct answer but you use the “buttons” not the key pad.
I am doing that and it does not work...meh...I only got that one wrong anyway...
There are several possible answers to #7 Thrasher, make sure you check that you've got the right one from the list.
Ange and Anon: I skip thru the first 6 questions. I have the list of possible answers for #7, and I click on the first three #s (or buttons) like you indicated and then I wait, and nothing.
Thanks so much for explaining it to me. I am doing it right, but nothing happens.
Maven, I think someone said you have to use IE and it's not the first 3 numbers but each group of numbers 11, 21, 1211, ______ so 11 would be button1, 21 button2, 1211 button3, or whatever the sequence is that you have.
A new email from Hans so :
New Post !
Oh this was a fun one! I only wish there wouldn't have been such an easy cheat to get 100%, as I love these number games and used to do them all the time as a kid so I might have gotten 100% anyway! Oh well, cool stuff :) Love that Black Swan...
I still only have 900 Dharma points :(
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