Je suis seul sur cette ile ..ils sont tous morts - I am alone on this island ...they are all dead
It is a slightly different size to the previous posters 18" x 30" and it is by an artist called Dan McCarthy and is entitled Rousseau's Transmission.
Dan McCarthy's website is danmccarthy.org/
The URL is youmightwanttoconsiderhikingboots.com
The URL comes from Saeson 5 Episode 6 - 316 (thanks Walkindude125)
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LOL, Zort.
@ Congested…
Sayid gives it away at 2:15…
"It's a loop"
;))
I just went back to look at the two prints which aren't sold out, but I couldn't bring myself to order either one. The Numbers is just too frantic and harsh-looking, and, as for the Love Triangle, frankly I could do a better poster than this one.
On the good side, though, my print of the Smoke Monster finally arrived today! Now waiting for The Hatch and Rousseau's Transmission.
Anyone notice that DCaaPB didn't put up the reveal on the HUB. Maybe a moot point now, but certainly unusual.
Maybe whoever was supposed to do it is still dealing with GoMerch?
@DougyFresh
You're right! I quickly concluded Jack because of his proximity to Kate. But looking again, it looks like Boone, and Jack would be taller. Having watched that episode many times, I should've thought it through!
Love how the Kate and Shannon silhouettes are so dead on!
Sayid is also dead-on.
I'm glad people who are able to apprciate this print were able to get it.
Congested
Thanks for thinking of me. Yes Sayid was in this scene but I'm afraid that my eyes are artistically untrained, because I can't tell one character from the other. Except that they are male and female. lol
It's seems a little stark to me. But that doesn't mean I hate it or that it is bad art, just not my particular style.
I agree with capcom I think I may have liked it better if it had been done in green hues.
zort sorry you weren't able to get this. Also sorry to the ones who will be getting the refund email.
Seems like today got everyone all flustered. Putting aside your feelings on how #9 went down and who was able to purchase, if you guys could pick one scene/watercooler moment to be depicted in these last 6 (or 7) prints what would it be? Personally I feel there has to be a "Not Penny's Boat" print and I am hoping for a separate Desmond-centric one as well. I also think The Others would have to appear in one of these.
Ok I went and took another look and the only one's that I can be sure of is Sawyer and maybe Charlie and kind of Sayid.
If I didn't know the scene I'm not sure I would know any them other than Sawyer.
I'm not trying to saying anything bad about this print. Just admitting to my bad eye. lol
I would have to say michael killing ana lucia from libby's perspective would be the one I would HAVE to break my "Not Until Poster 16" rule for. I think if Leila Bell did that instead of the love triangle, the silhouette method would of come out better as michael pointing the gun and it would make the scene cartoonish and i'm one for serious adult tones in child like depiction. Adds a layer of creepiness to it.
Other than that, Not Penny's Boat, but only to give my GF as a christmas present.
Well probably Shannon too even if she didn't have the radio. Because she always wears a skirt.
Also, for the depiction of the characters, not to say it's lazy or anything, but it does look like sketches from stills of the episode or promo photo's they took.
The one of sawyer looks like the moment he went to try and light his cigarette by the turbine and his lighter wouldn't work.
Sayid is obviously looking towards us, as is Kate.
I can't tell the difference between charlie and boone, tbh, the one next to shannon sort of looks like michael with the rolled up sleeves.
The only one that seems from the scene is Shannon.
I will say though in a postive manner, that everyones own opinion on this poster has changed mine drastically, I no longer see it as extremely bland poster but see it clearer as showing how small the characters are in comparison to what lies ahead. It shows what annoys me so much every time I watch season one now, their naivety .
Also, the fading hills, although better in the prints i've seen on his other works, makes a nice wallpaper on my iphone. So all in all, I think for some people, like myself, it just needed a little explaining in order to see the bigger picture.
Also, when I saw this on my phone, I instantly presumed it said "guys, where are we?" too.
Wow, there is some crazy sense of entitlement going on here. These aren't FOR Lost fans, they are done as an homage to Lost. They are for everyone. With that being said, if you think this is selling out fast, check on some of the bigger names (Fairey, Danger, etc...) to see some real sellouts. Fairey can sell out twice an many prints in half the time this one did. It isn't unusual and happens almost every print he does. If you get it cool. If not, oh well, buy it from someone else. The entitlement is a little crazy. You aren't "owed" anything. You don't "deserve" any of the prints. They are available as a courtesy to everyone who enjoys art and/or lost. Lets just call it "poor sportsmanship" and be done with it.
In people's defence, it does say on the website:
In celebration of LOST's final season and as a project of fan appreciation, 16 top designers and artists, who are also fans of the show, were commissioned to create artwork celebrating one of the series' most memorable, and unforgettable, "water cooler" moments.
Each beautiful poster tells its own different story, allowing the fan to relive memorable and influential moments in an artistic manner, as the show's storied run comes to a close.
So it's fair to say, this is a Lost fan project to say thank you for the years, so I can see why some people feel entitled to this posters, rather than have artist fan boys buy it for their favourite artist, even if they don't like lost.
This poster has rattled a lot of cages, can we have the new clue yet?
I'd love these posters to just be available to Lost fans who will appreciate them, but it is very difficult for anyone to determine who is a true fan and who isn't.
Maybe they should have taken the results from Dharma Wants you and used them as a measure !
Anyway I'm off for the evening, those z's won't create themselves.
What is your definition of a "fan"? Someone who "attends" Lost University? Someone who can quote every Jack and Kate moment?
Who do you think the target market is for the show? The thousands (liberal number there) of uber-fans that live,eat, and breath lost or the millions of viewers throughout the world? Who do you think that are thanking? The millions of people whose eyes drive up the cost of advertising during their time slot or the few fans that can't function without the show?
Lets be real here. The show is about making money. It is extremely popular with millions of viewers each week. The comment about entitlement comes from the idea that some extreme minority of the viewership believes that these were handmade for them and them only.
That's the problem I can't define a true fan, so it is open to all or none.
I am going now honest.
BTW, thanks for the great site!! This site rocks with super up-to-date info. Set aside some of the extremist weirdo comments, and this place really rocks. I'm a follower!
@Anonymous
Wow, I think you're putting words in my mouth. I was the one that said they were made for LOST fans. And...they are. And then I said, Obviously anyone can by them. Which is true. Don't misconstrue my words to help your argument.
I could care less about the artists you named, or even the artists that do the prints. I'm a LOST fan, this a LOST fan appreciation event. I'm buying these based on what they mean to me, as a LOST fan. Sure, Dan McCarthy looks like he does great stuff. But, I'm not a fan...nor do I care to much for his art. so I don't buy it.
I'm not "owed" anything...in fact, I feel that I "owe" the show something. I can recite ever Jack and Kate quote, I'll be one of the first to boot up my LOST Season 5 DVD for LU. Am I fan? Damn right. What is the definition of LOST fan? Hell if I know, but I feel like these prints are made for LOST fans. Not Dan McCarthy fans. That's why he has a website of all his work, and apparently a subscription.
But...of course, anyone can by these. And, "bad sportsmanship"? Ha! I could have been one of the first to get one if I wanted it.
I would guess their definition of a fan would be the the people out there willing to pay $800 for the complete 16 posters, just because it's Lost. The posters could be of a leaf that fell off a tree during season 2 and i'm sure people would buy it.
The thing I love about Lost is all these people from around the world connecting because of just a tv show. It's a nice thought, and I wish everyone could be as nice as all the regular posters i've read on here.
Of course people live and breath lost, I know I won't be the only one "lost" when LOST is over. For some people, it is their life, the people who queued up all day at comic con to get in for example. If anything, they are the reason this whole poster campaign is about. I'll even admit that there's someone out there who probably deserves this hatch poster than me and i'm sure a few people who have posted on here don't deserve it as much as those people.
That's my definition of a fan anyway.
I will say we all are entitled to this because we are fans of Lost and majority of this prints are fricking awesome, but i'm guessing the main aggro from people is that now this campaign has gained notoriety, sad little people are buying these up to stick on eBay for profit and people like Andy warrants it a lot more than them.
I hope majority of the buys are lost and dan mccarthy fans, i've heard loads of people banging on about him on various DCaaPB forums, so it makes sense it sells out fast (30 seconds is kinda unbelievable though).
I'm going to bed, I don't even like this poster. Just liked this forum better when people were entitled to their opinion without people having a go back at them.
Man I waffled on a bit there. Sorry :S
Opinions are fine. Just as mine should be as welcomed and yours. I wasn't having a go. I do apologize if that is how it sounded. I probably could have said it better. I was simply conveying my opinion just like the next person here.
No problem, I love to read everyone's opinion. That's why I decided to follow LostArgs. LOST fans talking about the show and the prints, it so cool!
I think I've beaten this one to death. You won't hear from me till the next clue! Haha.
Extremist weirdo comments?
No, doesn't really sound like your accepting people's comments.
I'll go back to Glastobating until the next clue is revealed.
Congrats everyone for getting your poster!
Commiseration's to those who didn't.
And those wondering what Glastobating is, it's getting excited about the Glastonbury music festival in England.
Good night everybody!
Zort70 et al. while scouring for order numbers, I saw a comment at DarkUFO/Arg that the word 'seule' is misspelled as 'seul' without the e. I didn't write down the contributors name, but we may want to take a closer look at this and maybe the reason for the "look closer' link on the buy now page.
For what it's worth the order numbers are posted. I will add photo, etc. later. must run
Congrats to my poster buddy Alex for fastest fingers (that we know).
Ugh, the second I said I wouldn't post again...I found this
The McCarthy print has made it to Ebay.
It would be such a shame if someone made a new account and bid lots of money for that poster on ebay, and then never paid. Flippers suck.
Wait is the fallen leaf from season 2 for sale?!?! Link please... Must have!
just as anonymous said, set up fake accounts and ebay bomb this person. if it gets down to the last day and bidding is high, it'd be worth my time.
Son of a bitch! We just got a call that this poster was oversold. Damn! I really wanted this one. Someones gonna get a stabbin!
I think that the artist captured the body sillouettes well also, Frank. Shannon especially. You can almost hear her pouting. :o)
@lotteryticket - Alex/Andy, you got the A right :-)
I believe each silhouette was pretty distinguishable, considering I remember everybody that went on the trip. Shannon was able to speak French and Boone was the one to point that out to everybody in the episode, which is why shy holds the radio.
How can we notify the site to get them to not honor the sell of this image to the ebay seller? My order was canceled due to oversell, and i'm pissed that fuckholes like this guy are just flipping it!
It is a disappointment that someone was to already put up a print on Ebay for sale that they don't even have yet, but is anybody upset that there is a Locke's Secret that is already at $250 with 9 days and 19 hours left? The real fact is that anybody has the opportunity to resell if they wanted to, but the real truth is that the user doesn't even have the item in hand yet. I hope that his/hers was oversold and cancelled.
Unfortunately ebay can't stop the sale. The only thing to do, as mentioned before, is to make fake accounts and flood his page.
Here's some information, take it however you like. I point this out at risk of adding fuel to the fire but thought some may find the information useful. Expressobeans.com has 3 sellers listed who are up for cash or trade of today's print. For the diehards that missed it, this may be an opportunity. Personally, I'm disappointed - I've not seen anyone previously list these for sale without having them and certainly not even within hours of when a print sold. This goes beyond fans of LOST versus fans of McCarthy. It's unfortunate that the profiteers are sucking the life out of this one so quickly. I fear it will only get worse...
Already on EBAY..????????????
I suspect a scam on the 7 minute sell out. I sure am hoping Go Merch is wise enough to look for how many " sales" all go to the same shipping address...or billing address/credit card. It would be interesting for a hard audit on this " sale". I mean..to go from an hour or so on average on a great print( Locke, crash, Smokie, Hatch) before it sells out,,to 7 minutes for what has been loosely judged as Takeit or Leave It....suggests something way out of the ball park here. Its such an anomaly, that it warrants a closer look. I'm smelling a professional job done here on buying this print up. Asking price is 100 dollars for a print he or she doesn't even have..?? Somebody deserves a bombing alrite. Here is one case that if it was 4 weeks before TG decided to ship..it'd be okay by me.
It was suggested way back..that sold out status might change once Go Merch figures out what the heck happened. I really hope for all who didn't get an order in..that this print comes back for some legit sales......MEL
Well, If they do catch someone, I hope they don't just relist, I hope they contact people like me who got the phone calls. This seriously pisses me off, and i'm of the opinion that someone isn't playing fair.
I've been part of other art sales, not just Lost series. You'd be surprised how fast some things can sell out if there is a big enough following. A sale of 200 prints can easily sell out in just a minute or two depending on the piece of art or artist. It was posted on several different art sites as soon as the link was up. That means it was posted prior to it actually being on sale. I don't see where there is a scam being played. I was #1459 and I was on a slow network as well.
The thing that would stop flippers or multi-purchasers would be for the host of the sites limit one per customer by locking out the sale site once a print has been purchased. A jump URL could be used if the same IP address has already purchased from that link stating something like "Thanks for your purchase, stay tuned for the next frame"
I thought someone said a couple posters ago that they were limiting one to a customer. Maybe I read that wrong?
You can only buy 1 at a time but once your order is complete you can go back and buy another one.
Ohhhhh. Tx Jeremy.
Everybody's over at DarkUfo tonight.
Well, as far as who's buying these things...someone named IceCharts has got 3 of them (different prints) and offering/selling them over at Expresso Beans.
One of Locke's Secrets is on ebay, the bidding is up to $250 so far with over 9 days left to go.
I'm just very suspicious of this 7 minute sell out thing!
Agreed, Maven. I agree with Anon above in that some limitations probably need to be enforced by GoMerch to keep the distribution of these as it was intended, one per person. That way everyone has at least a slightly better chance at this. Someone will always be trying to take advantage of a good thing - it just needs to be a little harder to do so.
if people are willing to bomb the ejerk, than i'll help :D i'm all for capitolism, but this is mean. if someone here decided they'd raher sellt heir print....i dunno, that's fine i suppose. but for pure profit when real fans are getting jacked, it's just wrong. or at least un-ethical...
so lets go all vigilante LOST style~!!!! grab your pistol from the briefcase!!
Anyone else notice that tonights episode of flashforward is tittled "black swan"?
Haven't made the dive into FlashForward yet. Waiting on some glowing endorsements prior to the time investment.
You can only buy one at a time.What is that based on?..email address,credit card #,shipping address?? It may be nothing more than conspiracy theory,,but I have heard of accounts of " services" available in IT circles for the explicit use of crashing such sales. It does come along with the "Art Fan" crowd.
Buying aprint for 50 bucks on a credit card,that doesn't have to be paid for until when ever,turning it over on Ebay or wherever for 100 -200-400- percent profit in a short time with minimum exposure to any interest fees,Well..its sophomoric,something of the nature a college student would pull off.I mean,50 bucks,100 bucks,whatever, is small change, small minded..and reflective of the bush league the profiteering level is at.Its part and parcel of the Art Crowd,,where most members don't hold their Art for long term but only " Invest" in it for financial gain,so they can invest later in even a more expensive venture. What we are seeing here is small time bush league posers involved in the Appreciation, who talk about " ART", but couldn't tell you a thing about what these LOST Prints depict or mean..but will remind you at every chance,,as " ART" fans they have every right to buy one. The lack of any moral bearing, suggests the college student level of maturity at best. There is no way you will convince me that any of the D McCarthy groupies are going to hold on to their Transmission Print for as long as any LOST fan will. And for any moved to make excuses for the Art groupies,well,I can only suggest a watch of the Expose' episode of LOST. You do know who Nikki and Paulo where, right??
Its really quite simple and the talk here and elsewhere bares it out;Lost fans decide on the print as to whether it Touches us, or how it makes us Feel,rather than the name on it,and the potential that name represents.In other words,the LOST FAN is in to these prints for the ART of it.Where as with the advent of the Art Groupies clearly demonstrates,its become all about doing whatever you have to do to buy a name..a clear demonstration of having never watched LOST.
The Art Groupies have stunk this appreciation up. Their poser perspective allows for the profiteers to fit comfortably amongst them. I've said it before and I'll say it again..D MC Carthy could take a dump on 18x24's ..call it a limited edition and it would sell out to the Art Groupies in minutes...and be on EBAY even quicker. My fear is..that the only sophistication the Art Groupies have,is in their willingness to do anything to be first in line.7 minutes indeed!!
Its about the Feel for us,and to the ART Groupie, its about the money. Like Sun said,Your diamonds have no value here. You are dead as Nikki and Paulo. The only reason you are here now, is to get a jump on your fellow groupies. I mean..did one of any of the art groupies make a rhyme? extrapolate on a clue?
Now,this is a hard lesson for our own. Zort manages this sight,but wasn't even able to purchase todays print because of his own Web Sight's success.Hows that for Irony? He just may be having 2nd thoughts. O Henry is fun to read, but not so much to experience.
Sure, I'm not happy with the situation. I don't believe the situation has been brought about by LOST FANS. Artists telling the world about where their ART can be found ,in their blogs suggests their egos where engaged as well. So, here we are. Maybe its Time for Paul to come back and abandon Ronie for somewhere, somehow,,different. Maybe the idea of using " Famous" artists is an idea flawed from the beginning. Oh well, decisions were made,,and now the consequences are felt. Like a lot of this ARG..execution seems less than required for meeting the stated goal.
...MEL
Think I'm destined to never get any of the good looking posters :-(
The island must hate me.
Oh and on the whole Ebay thing, that's good as it's the only way some people will be able to get any of these posters. Like me. I really wanted the Locke one badly. At least with it on Ebay I have a chance to own a copy.
Just to add a final note (probably not final but worth a go)
I don't regret managing this site and missing out on the poster yesterday, but I do mind the eBay seller putting it up for sale immediately, before it has even been received.
However life has taught me that good things happen to us and things we would rather not happen are usually just around the corner and that we can't do much to stop them. All we can do is what we feel is right and proper and support others when those things happen.
I feel very well supported for my, almost insignificant in the grand scheme of things, inability to purchase a poster, and for that I probably will feel better than if I had bought the poster.
Anyway on with the show.
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lol @ the "someone's scamming" comments...
Sour grapes much? It sold out fair and square and there is absolutely no evidence to the contrary. The backdoor is closed.
People will resell these, whether now or five years down the road. Is Tyson supposed to give you an interview to determine your intentions before you can place your order? Realistically, how do you think this can be prevented?
Like it or not, it's a person's right to do it. More power to those folks and congrats on fast buying.
This is coming from someone who missed "The Crash" and only lacks it for a full collection... I've accepted it and moved on.
It's one poster per IP address. So, you can't buy two from one location unless you have two static IPs.
Even more entertaining now is the fact that the Locke's Secret print on ebay now has a bid at $335.00 and has not yet met the seller's unknown reserve. Good grief! I was initially interested but it's getting too rich for my blood.
hey, you guys need to get a grip. there are only 200 posters per weeks for potentialy millions of fans. every week more "fans" find out about the poster series, more art "fans" find out about the art and value. it was destine to happen. becoming bitter and militant isn't going to solve anything. no one is scamming the site, posters sell out like this all the time. you get use to missing out on stuff that you want and eventually you get use to the flippers.
you guys need to chill out a bit and realize that this outcome was inevitiable even if the art collectors community wasn't involved. your own "fans" would have eventually overwhelmed the demand for a small run of posters every week.
Agreed, Jimbo.
fascinating it is this idea of..hey the art world is this way ,,therefore its okay for the frenzied no account buying to migrate to a Lost Appreciation Event..just because the event has art..and then to add on..eventually all you LOST fans are going to be this way,,so get you use to it..yea rite..i see The Numbers and Triangle still haven't sold out so..so much for that prediction...The real buster is,,these replies insistance on being made by LOST Fans..What LOST have they been watching?
Its all excuse making for swarmy attitude and swarmy behavior..such is the nature of the Art Groupies..Every sale is piranah event..At least they could be honest enough to admit to their motivation and behavior,,rather than smoke screen it with moral equivacation and swarmyness. Just like the guy who has Lockes secret on Ebay..hey! I'm a big LOST fan..so big a LOST Fan,,that I think its okay to try to make a 200 percent profit off of my fellow LOST Fans..Yeeeaa, Imean..I wouldn't be so insulted if he just said..yea,, i need the money,,so excuse me for going for everything I can get,,but no,,he smoke screens the issue ,with baby is on the way,,pffffftttt..classic dodge of responsiblility. Its always somebody elses fault when it comes to gouging your fellow man.
The point is..any excuse is still just an excuse,,an excuse for barging in on an event that they cannot appreciate or grasp....MEL
lol.
You guys are idiots.
I cant wait for you guys to pay my mortgage from reselling you "your" posters.
Don't lump the bunch together...
Just seems the extremist minority is getting the most attention here (seems to be the trend everywhere these days)
I think the minority of people who felt any animosity at all initially have gotten some fresh air and re-examined what's worth getting stressed over.
I think the majority of fans just had a 'darn it' reaction if they came in too late.
I wouldn't give the minority too much credit.
I think that the anger towards the Locke's Secret seller is misplaced. I have that poster, and it's hanging in my dining room. I have 2 young kids and a mortgage, and those things will always more important to me than any of the things I have ever bought or collected. If it came to it, Iwould sell my poster on ebay, and hope to get the maximum I could for it.
My problem is the guy who posted the Rousseau's Transmission an hour after it was ordered. It's clear that the poster was not bought to admire or decorate a house. It was bought to sell for a profit, and in doing so, denying a chance for someone who actually wants it to buy it at release price from the original sale.
Let's call these people what they are: Scalpers. When people intentionally buy up sports tickets with no intention of seeing the game, they are just profiteering and helping to deny real fans from taking part.
I don't know if anyone is still checking this thread, but I'll post my conundrum here as it fits better with this conversation.
Since this last reveal I've been having a bit of a dilemma, and I would appreciate your thoughts (especially MEL's and Zort's).
If I had known Zort and others were going to have trouble ordering this print, I would have tried to order it as well. I am at my computer all day for work, and I could have easily tried to order this print, but I wasn't interested in it.
As much as possible I want to see these posters get into the hand of fans and not profiteers. But I also don't want to prevent fans from purchasing the print themselves.
What do you guys think? Should I try and purchase all of them to help out those, like Zort and Frank, who don't get one, or should I just let 'whatever happens, happen' and only try and purchase the ones I want for myself?
On the issue of profiteering itself, I am sad that this is happening, but that's the world we live in, we have to proceed in that knowledge.
I only hope one of these profiteering (insert bad names here) don't get any of the first order prizes!!
Hi Jeremy, we are mostly in the newer comments section now for the MOTU post.
Just to respond, personally, unless someone has arranged something with a poster buddy, then I would go for the "whatever happens, happens" approach.
I personally have no ill feeling for someone selling the print after it is received and not wanted, however as Anon said above putting it for sale almost immediately after it has sold out means that the person has no intention of looking at the poster before deciding to sell it.
Anon said..
You guys are idiots.
I cant wait for you guys to pay my mortgage from reselling you "your" posters.
..Well, i can at least respect you for admitting ,that your type is not above taking advantage of mentally challenged people. Thanks for your honesty....MEL
Who cares what someone else does with the poster? If someone wants to buy it and sell it before they get it, who cares? If someone wants to buy one and before opening it burn it, so what? Last I checked, this is a free country?
If 200 people got together and bought the entire run of the next poster, and then burned them all, you wouldn't care, even a tiny bit?
Besides, being a free country has no relivance to having an emotional reaction to a situation. Yes that person is legally allowed to flip a poster on ebay. And yes, people are alowed to get mad and feel that they are profiteering. They are not mutually exclusive.
Its like this..some folks feel they would be justified in crashing a private party ,,or a wedding party or even a bar mitzpha,,if they heard their favorite band at full blast while they walked down the street. Its not that they are " our" prints..its that its Our EVENT,,and the ART Groupies have crashed it in the name of ART..which just shows how shallow they really are. They use ART to put forth their pretense.They don't care whose party they crash.Their greedy behavior is excused by the ART. They are Posers. The ART is wasted on them.
I mean..D MC Carthy has a subscription club..He has outlets. At any time a Real D MC Carthy Fan can get a Print of his..AT ANY TIME. This can be said of any of the artists involved so far in this arg..So he makes a short run for a niche group, very specialised for that group ( how many other DM prints have verbage ballons?),,but the glomers just barge thru the doors and start taking..like there isn't enough DM prints available in the market already??????.
Yeaa. we LOST FANS are crazy about things LOST. Sure are. But take a look at the art groupies if you want insane.They'd steal candy from a baby if helped them,," make the mortgage payment.".......MEL
so i'm a lost fan and an art "asshole". should i be allowed to the party?
Whats your point jimbo?? I appreciate " art" as much as I am able and willing to. I have original works on the walls also.I support my local NPR station and specific shows by donating during " their" pledge drive time. I go to concerts by musicians I really like when they are town,,I buy first editions hard bound books by writers I really enjoy..etc etc etc..I see LOST as no different. LOST and ART suggests the two are different. Not so. LOST is ART..so when ART is made to the " specific" of LOST, seems to me those who have the ability to appreciate it, understand it,,don't need a bunch of Posers, who have no real understanding or first hand knowledge of LOST, crashing the event. A 7 minute( or quicker) sell out heavly suggests a new paradigm in what is going on and who is involved. Perhaps its Time for Paul to show up,,announce a disengagement with Ronie Midfew,,and a promise of a new relationship to be determined. I think this one has run into a major roadblock created by the Art Groupies.....MEL
you are delusional.
you are right, you need to talk to the producers and get the rest released just to "real" fans and those who really appreciate Lost.
i'll enjoy my jay ryan lost print early next year even if you could pull that off.
.jimbo...so you really are not a LOST Fan then.For you,, its all about the name on the print,,and not about what is being depicted. Make up your mind. I think you are the confused one. As suggested previously, perhaps the mistake, if any,was choosing well known names in the Print world to do these LOST FAN APPRECIATION Prints. So,contrary to you, I can only hope, no more well known artists are involved in this arg. Will the " ART" suffer?
After looking at everything presented so far, including D McCarthy's work, I think not.
...MEL
"you are delusional"
Spot on.
Never seen such ridiculousness and venom.
Nobody ever jump in front of Mel to get a gumball.
"Nobody ever jump in front of Mel to get a gumball."
..and don't even think about crashing my party just because I hired your favorite band..MEL
"A 7 minute( or quicker) sell out heavly suggests a new paradigm in what is going on and who is involved. "
You have absolutely no evidence to suggest that this is true.
It sold out fast, ok...so did The Crash, when even less fans knew about this. One guy is trying to sell one on Ebay, ok... hardly a group of 'art piranahs'...
Is this really enough to construct a conspiracy theory of epic proportions? I don't think so...
Breathe.
oh..Seems to me an hour was the standard for the very favorites. I won't quibble over a few minutes. Therefore " 7 minutes"or 30 seconds as suggested by Go merch people, in itself suggests a whole new base is involved. Read thru all of the posts on this issue and you may find at least one,admitting to a network of communication amongst the Print Aficianados for when the reveal was established. Again, no talk about how the Print relates to LOST and or LOST water fountain moments,just when can I see it and how fast can i buy it.
I can go to Google and find prints available by each and every artist presented in this arg so far...and even Hopeful artists of future reveals..RIGHT NOW. I can buy prints by ANY of these artists.So, what has happened here is the result of artist fans seeing a limited edition opportunity,who have no conception of what is being depicted.Its just a limited edition opportunity.The ART is wasted on them. Therefore they are nothing more than speculators who use ART as a pretense and excuse for their tacky and gauche behavior.
An hour to sold out was the standard. And don't forget,,several weeks to Sold Out for the Van and Statue. So 7 minutes for the print art world's darling D McCarthy..suggests alot more than "absolute no proof".
Again..the lack of conversation about these prints LOST connection is obvious. Its not what is being said always. Alot of the time its what is not being said...MEL
I'd have to say that I'm leaning towards your side of the conversation Mel. And I could add one more thing. If now, via the announcememtns in the media, dealers who are not really Lost fans (or not fans enough to already have known about this hiatus event) are finding out about these one of a kind posters, we are going to have to steel ourselves against the problem and carry on. It was inevitable, we saw it coming. It's the nature of the collections market. Anyone who's gone to an SF/Comic convention knows how greedy some dealers can be. It's the same in the collections world of Mid-20th century art that I've been in for the past 20 years. There are always some stinky dealers who scarf things up cheaply, and sell them above the general value to get the most out of it for themselves. Oh sure, they'll give you all kinds of reasons why they aren't really greedy, they have to make a buck and pay taxes. But anyone who knows them, knows where their heart is. It stinks but there's nothing you can do about it but wave goodbye to that beloved object that could have been yours if not for some unethical creep who is all business and no heart.
Another aspect now, is the achieving of the first sale to recieve the extra prize. This may also be causing an extra rush, in that fans are vying to be the first in line to get the additional super-prize. I kind of wish that TPTB didn't do that, or at least made it a random thing somehow, not first. It's so very generous of them to do that, I hate to complain a bit about it. But it's the nature of the beast for humans to rush in to get the gold, when there's gold to be had.
Anyway, that's my two cents. I hope that everyone at least gets one poster so that all fans can at least have one piece of this fantastic event to remember our friendship with TPTB and with our fellow fans. :-)
LotteryTicket: I wanted to let you know I have order #1509 over on your list @ SpoilerTV, instead of 1516.
I don't want to post this on the MOU post, it's off topic there. I agree with Mel and Capcom. When does it end for these "scalpers"? Look, no one is saying they can't buy these, that's outrageous to say. What we're saying is that if you're going to buy the print, please...please!...don't sell them for a higher price. I know tons of LOST fans who are so mad that they missed out on this print, or The Crash, or Locke's Secret. Come on guys, let us have the LOST prints. It's a fan appreciation thing for our years of dedication.
P.S. If I had The Crash or Locke's Secret, I wouldn't be selling them on Ebay. You'd have to offer me thousands of dollars for me to give those up. Honestly.
i get it, you guys have very strong feelings for these prints. but some of you MEL are acting like spoiled children. this was a viral campaign that WORKED. profitering can only happen when supply cant meet demand, the producers wanted this to happen. it's best to understand that damon carlton couldn't have planned this any better, the fans are abuzz, other people are abuzz because of the artists involved, and i can only assume that next will come some press. i think i already saw a link on imdb.com a few weeks back. in the end everyone is happy except for those who feel they are entitled (mel). please dont piss on people for collecting some of their favorite artists even though they are crashing your party. people have been collecting, meeting, and makeing personal relationships with artists like Leia Bell, Methane Studios, Jason Munn and Dan McCarthy for longer than LOST has been a glimmer in your delusional eye.
i feel like that was a quality post. i can has new clue now?
..Well, FtI..thats a good point. I have thought about just that too. There is a saying/ belief..that every man has a price, and I wondered what would be my price. I wondered how can you put a price tag on watching, getting emotionally involved, intellectually stimulated, wonderfully eye opened,all the experience that these prints remind and keep us in touch with from over the last 5 seasons, all the discussions we've had with family , friends including virtual,,and virtual made real,,about Lost and the almost infinite list of philosophers, authors, religions, musicians, etc etc etc presented in the show over the years..How do you put a price tag on that? How do you puta price tag on the Value Added that this show has provided to us " Idiot" fans? Simple answer is..you don't. And that is something the money grubbers can not understand.
Cap, you hit on that point. Relationships established over the years have a value and that is important. Zort emphasizes that as well. And yes, I'd rather be talking about the subtle message of Rousseaus Transmission than what I've been pointing out in this blog section so far. The message of this print and all the other prints so far, are the camp fire we gather around warming ourselves in our separate existence, cool to the non Lost world. This show, these prints, connects us.
Due to character limitations,I will have to use another post to say what I really want to say about this print. ...MEL
mel, you're a hoot. i've actually enjoyed the back and forth.
when lost is on, i usually spend and hour or two a week on the phone with an old high school friend talking out the episode. thankfully my wife is into the show, so we usually watch together and try to figure out whats going to happen next. i talk to other parents in the neighborhood about the show. i know you dont want to hear it but silkscreen art print and gigposters are like baseball cards to an ever growing group of, well mostly guys. as such we love what we collect but we also collect in hopes of getting other stuff, trade bait if you will.
i'm rambling at this point and i've lost my point. good luck with future drops. there is a nasty rumour going around about who is doing the last poster and if it's true the mccarthy sellout will be a cake walk.
night night.
Well jimbo,,once again,, your have this amazing confusion about you. This is what Carlton and Damon wanted..??? Seems to me it was put rather clear..LOST FAN APPRECIATION EVENT,,,and as witnessed,,it s quite clear that given a relaxed amount of Time..all of these prints will be " SOLD OUT"..LOST Fans just aren't as neurotic as Posers know theirselves to be. But the Posers sure are trying their best to make us as neurotic as them. The 7 minute sell out wasn't due to competitiveness between LOST FANS willing and able to buy the print.History shows that takes an hour,,at least.maybe a whole month as in the Van. No, .it was due to Posers racing in on an opportunity before the next Poser got in. You know your own kind all too well. Nice try in saying this is what D&C wanted..but you are really delusional there. You won't even admit to your own nature.
And I see,, now we're talking about relationships with the artists. Well sure,, anything but your and your kind's relationship with the subject matter..the TV Show LOST. Thats what You aren't "getting",,and by all words posted so far,, apparently don't even care about.Since you and your kind don't care about the subject matter,, then what is the value of a relationship with an artist,,whose interpretation of the subject matter, is the ART?.. again, your confusion is amazing to behold....MEL
Wow! All of this squabbling over $50 posters is awesome! It's like watching re-runs of 'All In The Family'. What's great is how there is absolutely no perspective here regarding real life issues. Nothing but a bunch of art & lost geeks with entitlement issues screaming, "Mine, Mine". Simply awesome!
Carry on.....
Well Anon..The Producers of the show LOST..announced that they are doing this in a show of appreciation for the years of dedication by the fans. So.. as to no real life issues..I will admit that a Fan Appreciation Event hosted by TPTB..is new, and unprecedented..so much so, that " not real" is a reaction to the event. I mean.. no other TV show that I can recall, has done such a thing for its FANS.
But, as an effort,, a first time effort,, a newly created effort, a ground breaking effort..a real live " Incident" effort..there is a learning curve taking place. Some of it is painfull as Jack getting smacked in the head by the tool box,,and with all hope,,all Real life Hope..the curve doesn't end in a burning defeat impaled on its own success like Phil ended up...In other words..as jimbo suggests is quite allright, but doesn't understand the implications of, in any future " appreciations"..when the Fan gets pushed aside by the Posers and Opportunists..they ruin the chances of something like this for any future TV shows or even any kind of Media presentation. Why would a future appreciation event even be considered,,if it is known that the appreciated are going to get forgotten about halfway thru?
The folks who dreamed this arg up are in a tough position right now. They call this arg a LOST FAN appreciation,,but as of frame 9..the LOST FAN has been pushed aside. I hope that the creators of this arg thought this could happen and were wise enough to see a way around it,, as in..not havin that many " well Known " artists involved. I'm sure there are other ways to keep this arg about the Fan that I haven't thought about. I hope so anyway. Point being..I am a Lost Fan.. I am real,,that is..I think about LOST, therefore I am..Can't get much more real life than that. If you want to talk about Health Care reform. or the wars over there in the sandbox..I suggest Slate.com,, and join the " Fray" for that " real Life".
Geesh..how many folks remember that great scene where Ben entices Jack to do the surgery with the great line..since you 've been gone from your world, the actor Christopher Reeve has died,, your people re-elected Geo W Bush,,and the Red Sox won the world series.Don't you wantto go back?.( or,,superman died, we re-elected a moron to the white house,, and the Impossible happened in Boston,,which in comparison to the Island,,real life is even more insane than what is going on ,, on the Island)..Emerson should have won an Emmy for keeping a straight face thru out that scene. But, I digress.
It takes Real Dedication and Focus.. to keep real life out of these discussions.....MEL
Very very very (did i say very?) very well said MEL. Your past two posts are spot on.
Burma shave that opportunists & TPTB.
*Applause for MEL*
apparently the producers only believed there were 300 lost fans... 200 of which were part of the general public. if they wanted to show their appreciation they really should have just written you all a personalized letter.
"Dear Stan, i meant to write you sooner..."
i think MEL is suffering from lack of oxygen.. the air is so thin up on such a high horse.
I'm afraid I have to draw a line under the discussions here.
The debate over whether it is right or wrong to buy the posters and then put them up for sale immediately is one that could run and run. I'm all for healthy debate, butthere is a time to stop.
LostARGs is a friendly place to discuss what is going on, and I feel the conversation could get beyond that if left to run.
I will leave the comments enabled here for the moment, but they will be disabled if there is lots of anger being shown.
Please email the admins if you have any problems with what I've said here.
I don't think Mel is capable of posting without labelling anyone who disagrees w/her as a "poser" "art piranah" "not a true fan"
Fascinating, Mel, how did you come to be an internet psychologist?
The bottom line is that there are no rules on the buying. Accept the conditions, get some sunlight, and drop it.
I honestly THINK TPTB would be disappointed that Hurley's poster is STILL not sold out. So, any actual sellouts is evidence of success. Notice that I said THINK. I don't pretend to know TPTB's feelings or motives, nor would I pretend to know everything about the people buying #9...
There is a line in debate that you don't cross--you don't make derrogatory remarks about your opponent or generalize. MEL, you cross that line with every post.
I'm not coming back to debate you, because I don't want to see the insults.
Zort..thank you for the warning.
One must consider the future of such appreciation. The chances of a repeat of an appreciation type event for Fans dwindle, when non fans come in and pillage the goods.
The refusal to acknowledge the plainly stated LOST FAN APPRECIATION EVENT,,and all the following excuses and moral equivocation that somehow allows a blind eye to plain and clear just shows how it is that this arg is headed for failure. I mean..there is no trespass as long as one can get away with denying there are any boundaries..Kinda like,, there is no crime if you don't get caught.I guess that is what Bernie Madoff told himself for all those years.
If one judges this event in monetary terms, then it will be a success.. if one judges this event in LOST FAN APPRECIATION terms..then its headed for failure. IF THE CREATORS OF THIS EVENT JUST WANTED TO MAKE MONEY..THEY COULD HAVE VERY EASILY DUMPED ALL THE PRINTS FOR SALE AT ONE TIME and WATCHED THEM FLY OFF THE SHELVES. BUT THEY DID NOT. THEY MADE AN ARG OUT OF IT. Therefore,, the greed that is evident in a 7 minute sell out, the source of that, is the crowd that made it happen.
A little history here for those too young to know. I witnessed the very same type of phenomena back in the 90's. A few pictures in the right magazines of Jack Nicholson smokin a cigar is all it took to start the down fall of the Cigar world as it was. Over night it was " hip" to smoke a cigar. Overnight the manufacturers could not keep up with demand and the product suffered thereafter. Poor quality cigars became the standard because nothing else was available. Magazines sprung up to educate all the ignorant newbees on what they were supposed to be smoking, but were not because the demand created short cuts in the production process. The art, the craft of producing a aged, hand rolled fine cigar went down the toilet..all because the market would pay top dollar for a " dog rocket".
So, i see the same here. I mean if Mc Carthy put little verbage ballons in his dark mountain starry nites prints,,i suspect frame 9 would still be for sale. All the input from Lost Fans on the print indicates a 50 50 split . A take it or leave attitude is evident. Its not " hot" like Locke, Crash, Smokie,and Machina. So, why the 7 minute sell out? Because the 7 minute people were looking for a signature, thats all. Just like the young gentlemen,,were looking for any cigar, to be seen with,,with no concern about the future,, with no concern about the art,, with no concern about anything more than the shallow mirror reflection of what to be seen with.
I agree, lets keep this above the derogatory..and personal attacks. If you can't deal with the message,that is not an excuse to attack the messenger. The 7 minute sell out is water under the bridge. It looks like the flood of it may have washed the bridge a way. To say,, oh well,,thats the way it is..turns a blind eye to preventative measures. To say , oh well deal with it..turns a blind eye to what shores that bridge connected.
The posers and speculators are not off the hook. Yes, we do see these prints as more than " baseball cards". WE put frames around them and hang them on the wall. The creators of the ARG know that . That connection is the Success of a LOST FAN APPRECIATION EVENT. But if you don't acknowledge that,, if you refuse to honor that, then what comes your way is of your own creation....MEL
Mel you continue to blow my mind. You are talking to someone who appreciates art and lost. I have over twenty pieces of screen print art framed in my house. If this was really a fan appreciation event the cost would be less than 50 dollars, and there would be more available, lets even say open editions. but they aren't, these are for collectors and the fact that you put yourself ahead of another collector is really childish in my eyes. i would bet on the rest of the posters all selling out in under a half hour unless they are truly bad. if some of the bigger names in the art world get to take part in this series, seven minutes is the new standard. i'm sorry that you feel entitled, from a collectors standpoint entitlement really sucks the fun out of art. this is a game and as such the rules dont limit the participants to people in the church of LOST. you are now playing with more people. seven posters left, we know one artist for sure, he has just as big of following at dan mccarthy. that leaves six artists. as much as you seem to hate this, if those artists are names like tyler stout, tara mcpherson, shepard fairey, arron horkey, brad klausen, then there will be even more "outsiders" crashing your party. in the end you might want to chill out a little and try to get back to a place where you can have fun with your party. you also dated yourself with your cigar story, i didn't expect such strange behavior from someone older than myself.
Who is the one artist for sure?
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jay ryan
jimbo..You and i are both Lost fans. I just am not buying off on the concept that a love for ART, allows for a blind eye to other considerations. Matter of fact.. the Love for ART, Appreciating ART,, should give anyone a more OPEN MIND to other considerations.
Considerations like..this is a LOST FAN APPRECIATION EVENT. I Don't watch LOST. so why am I here? The answer to that may lead one to a honest decision by oneself that is reflective of the ART that is supposed to being appreciated. What can a verbage balloon in french and a radio tower in the hills possibly mean to and for a non LOST FAN? Its wasted on them. Aren't the dark mountain starry nite prints good enough? Yet, they gotta have it. Like I said,, there are plenty of works by all these artist available now , RIGHT NOW. So why the glom into terrority non grata?..Just because its Viral? All considerations go out the window when it comes to the web? The worst of being human is okay on the web..because there are no boundaries there? What are you saying?
Again..if you were walking down a street and heard your favorite band thru the walls of a reception hall..you would feel entitled to crash the party going on inside? You are telling me its okay to do that? Hey,, as long as the boundaries aren't acknowledged..theres no Trespass!! And its okay that nobody will rent the hall ever again because of lack of security,,just as long as you get inside to hear your favorite band.?? Anything goes!.. and that includes any belief on my part,, that this 7 minute crowd..has any real appreciation,, has any real understanding of what ART is. If they did,,they would also have some Recognition and RESPECT for this LOST FAN APPRECIATION event.
ART is supposed inspire, nurture, lead one to deeper understanding of oneself and the better aspects of being a Human Being. I see no evidence of that in the 7 minute crowd.
My age isn't the topic of discussion. The " WEB" isn't owned by any age group. The behavior in the virtual world isn't being defined by any particular age group. We are all human beings. Those who say they aspire and appreciate the finer things of being a human being, ART,,should maybe act and behave to their words. I ain't seeing it with the this 7 minute business.
..MEL
...MEL
OK...let's stop for a moment and take a deep breath.
I've done some thinking on this issue the last couple of days (as I'm sure everyone else has) and have developed a couple of theories.
Some of these theories have been hinted at, but I'm going to try to put make them more explicit.
1) the only reason number nine (number nine, number nine) sold out in under ten minutes was because of the name signed on the bottom. I believe if it had said "Dan McCarthy for The Numbers" or Dan McCarthy for the Love Triangle" the same thing would have happened.
2) as a result of point one, I do not believe the remaining prints will sell out as quickly, unless produced by another art print luminary.
That being said, there are seven prints left, jimbo only lists six, and looking at some of their work, there are only one or two I'm really impressed with.
I, like MEL, am hoping for lesser knowns for two reasons. One, the fans will probably have a better chance of getting their hands on a print and two, the quality of the print will probably be better (just sayin')
In conclusion, (and I think this is one of the many themes in LOST) just because this is the way it is and always has been, doesn't mean it is the way it has to be.
Let's hold ourselves to a higher standard.
Let's not let the misguided actions of a few who only care about prestige ruin the experience for us faithful who care more about the feeling and the message than the name on the bottom of it.
peace
i get where you're coming from. you wont understand or appricate this but I and other collectors buy posters for bands we dont like or even know if we like the art or artist. sure it sucks when you're a fan of the band and miss out on a poster knowing non band fans did get it. unfortionatly it's just part of limited edition prints.
i wont hide the fact that some people are out for cash and cash alone. but many people appricate art even if they are fan of the band and so i can only put forth the argument that non lost fans can appricate the lost prints. i'll even say a lost fan might appricate it more, but that is splitting hairs.
i have to go see wild things
While I certainly take issue with scalpers who sell the poster before they even take delivery of it, I cannot fault a fan of any artist wanting to pick up their new print. I feel sad that Lost fans are maybe not able to buy a poster that they like because it was sold out, especially do to 'outside' interest, but it's life.
To compare the purchase of a print to crashing a party because of a band is ridiculous. Crashing a party involves breaking laws, specifically trespass. To suggest that these situations are comparable is to entirely misunderstand the law. I understand the frustration or the emotion, but let's keep it in the realms of reality.
Just my 2¢
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@jeremy:
Sorry for going a bit offtopic (although this has to do with getting the posters) but, I just read your comment (the one in which you asked if you should try to get the posters just in case someone miss one) and I´d like to know if you (or anybody else here) could help me out with that.
I live in Spain and here we are 6 hours ahead of New York (9 hours ahead of LA, just an example) so if the next posters are showed around the same time the #9 was then no prob, but with previous ones it´s been late at night here so...
That´s all, just would like to know if any of you who don´t want to order ALL the posters could help me if I need it next week. I don´t want to order all of them, (the #9 was my first one) but there are certain scenes/characters I would buy if they were portrayed on the next posters so...
Please, if anybody can help me, email me at anubislair[at]hotmail [dot]com and I will let you know what characters/scenes I am interested in and we can stay in touch just in case I need some help.
Thanks in advance!
Btw, I can do the same and help you guys if a poster is announced at a good time here in Spain and bad time for you USA people (or any other non-european country). Just ask :)
I ditto what Jeremy said.
Nice avi Roswell! :-)
I ditto what Zort said. Let's please not call each other names here anymore no matter what we feel about any negative aspects that might occur during this wild hiatus ride. What's kept the TLC blogs apart from the rest -- and why people say that they like to come here -- is because we try to maintain a very polite and respectful atmosphere whether we agree on a point or not. We prefer not to call anyone names, or stupid, or slurs of any kind here. We've never had to block commenting or posters on a TLC blog due to disrespectful comments before, so let's not force Zort to have to make that sad decision for the first time ever on his watch. We can all have our own opinions on all sides without resorting to being disrespectful to each other. Let's allow this great experience with TPTB of Lost to be a friendly one, so we have nothing but fond memories next year to recall about our Lost blog friends. And let's make TPTB proud to have us as well-behaved and civilized fans as well, they deserve it for being so great to us.
XO
For those of you who were lucky enough to get the print, how will you be framing it? A custom frame would be way too expensive for my budget, so I was wondering if anyone else had any ideas.
Aaron..rite now..at Michaels..the arts and craft store..there is a 40 percent off sale on " Poster Frames"..including glass...so for like 11 dollars..you got a frame....MEL
18 x 30 is an odd size as some of you have found out. i would point you to www.americanframe.com for some of your cheapest custom frame ideas. also this place has another alternative http://www.soundscreendesign.com/projects/hard-goods/ssd2
Speaking of observers (ie the current thread) if anyone wants to get really ticked off, they only need to head over to the forums at espressobeans.com and check out their LOST art thread.
Like I was trying to say in one of my previous posts on the topic, it all comes down to standards and values. Some people just have higher standards than others.
Maybe, for the rest of the "game" TPTB shouldn't list the artist's name...
just a thought...
i guarantee that we know art with the artist name.
well anon..that is great. A mind able to spot a Bell. Mund, Tan or McCarthy from a mile away is commendable . An excellent first step.
But wait! There's more! There is also the message of the artist,,the ART of the art so to speak. And yes, that to is a commendable and worthwhile goal to have about any artists.
Now. if one can talk the Art..its my supposition,,that same brain can recognize that when a Artist is contracted to do a short run, limited edition, narrow focus print,the " ART" meant for a specific niche group..then maybe the opportunity for a whole new group of appreciators for that artist,, out weighs the needs and wants to own anything with the artists name on it....I mean.. if the McCarthy Fans are so into the specific artist,, why are they so adamant about denying the artist to whole new community??? Even the most popular prints took an hour to sell out before the Mc Carthy fans showed up. They show up and its over in 7 minutes. Thanks for denying McCarthy to a new community.
They all seem to have no problem about hijacking an event meant for LOST FANS.The supposed adoration of the artist has created more animosity towards him than good will, because of the fans. Thats the way it appears from this side. The display of lack of couth, The avarice , is a disservice to the art and the artist claimed to be adored. yes I guarantee i know Posers when I see them.
...MEL
MEL, I don't think you are doing the LOST community any favours here. I understand the emotion, but if TPTB really wanted to ensure that only Lost fans get these prints, then they could have set up a 'fan club' or something like that. As it is, these prints are sold out in the public sphere, and are fair game for anyone.
I don't like the flippers, and they are a whole other issue, but to tell a Dan McCarthy fan that they should not buy one of his prints because someone who has never heard of him might also want it, doesn't seem right or 'fair' either. These are people who like his work, and want to own the poster. These are people who want to hang that poster from their walls, just like any Lost fan might. People buying the poster just to sell at a profit is not appealing to me in any way, but to tell a fan (albeit of another aspect of this work, artist rather than subject) that they should GTFO is also wrong, IMO.
I am a fan of both Lost and to art prints, and I am disappointed in the 'Us Vs. Them' attitude displayed by both communities.
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5 seconds...I didn't make it a US vs Them..The 7 minute crowd made it a Us vs Them. The LOST FAN part of this APPRECIATION Event was stampeded out of the equation by avarice. I really like what TPTB have provided for the LOST FAN. Its unprecedented. So I am willing to stand up for what it represents,, AN APPRECIATION FOR THE LOST FANS DEVOTION OVER 5 SEASONS OF LOST..If you are unwilling to make a public stand for what this unprecedented appreciation event is, well fine,, Here is a suggestion..if you have bought a print.. then you got a email from Ronie Midfew..Reply to it with a suggestion to " privatize" this Appreciation event. There are ways to do this with every LOST FAN wanting to be Appreciated,, being Appreciated,,without having to deal with a stampede of artist groupies who couldn't tell you the first thing about LOST.
I appreciate ART and thats why I Appreciate LOST and have devoted so much time and energy in chatrooms, with family and friends, and enemies too, over the seasons discussing. spreading the word, getting involved with LOST. What has a McCarthy Fan done with concerns to LOST..? Oh.. got themselves on a network so they will be notified when their favorite artists print is revealed to be up for sale soon. That is you know what!!
Again..as long as this effort is titled LOST FAN APPRECIATION EVENT,, and not Dan McCarthy Appreciation EVENT.. then I am going to do everything possible to keep it a LOST FAN APPRECIATION EVENT. To concede defeat to the stampede crowd is a disservice to the Show and the Producers who have provided this unprecedented reward.
Again.. I suggest to all LOST FANS who have bought a Print and would like to have a fair chance at possibly another.. to respond to the Ronie Midfew email you got with a statement of displeasure about OUR APPRECIATION EVENT being Hijacked By Non LOST fans. With a little extra thought, maybe you can even suggest a way for this Appreciation to be experienced by those it was meant for.
This is YOUR EVENT. If You want to give it away to non LOST Fans,, then do nothing.. If You want to insure no future Fan Appreciation Events will occur,, then do nothing. But if You like being Appreciated for years of devotion to your favorite show , then let the Providers of this LOST FAN APPRECIATION EVENT know.
Here is what I can provide now:
mailroom@gomerch.com
It maybe the bottom rung of the ladder,, but enough emails from US,,will get the message to the top rung.
YOU are being Appreciated. Its a rare moment in Life when You are APPRECIATED. Please don't let the stampede crowd take it away from YOU!.
...Yes, it IS all about YOU..MEL
@ jeremy and @ capcom
jeremy, you said:1) the only reason number nine sold out in under ten minutes was because of the name signed on the bottom. I believe if it had said "Dan McCarthy for The Numbers" or Dan McCarthy for the Love Triangle" the same thing would have happened.
This blanket statement is SO wrong.
I am a huge Mccarthy fan. I am a huge LOST fan. There are many prints of his I have not purchased despite it being signed on the bottom. I eagerly awaited his poster to be revealed, but was prepared NOT to buy if it was an image I didn't like. Of course I was hoping for his print to be a great one so that I could have the confluence of two (three if you count poster collecting in general) things I really like - and that is exactly what I got. GREAT poster. I snapped it up.
I am perfectly able to decline to purchase a poster of his I'm not a fan of, thankyouverymuch. NOBODY'S signature at the bottom could have made me purchase the Love Triangle or that the amateurish overrated 'the Hatch.'
Further, I purchased the Dharma Van without having ever heard of Methane Studios, and despite the fact that there was not as rabid a response to it. Works for me. Bought it much after the reveal and it is now framed on my wall, looking awesome. As a long time die hard LOST fan, and less time but die hard "art groupie" (as MEL would refer to me I'm sure, in her condescending terms), I am jazzed to see it there. also would have purchased the Smoke Monster, but hesitated a moment too long.
Furthermore, MEL, suggesting that Mccarthy fans, even the ones who are LOST fans as well (yes, again, we DO exist), somehow deprived him of exposure to a new group is making a ridiculous leap of assumption here , for one. You're assuming that only his fans bought these sold out prints. What of me? I came here because i am a lost fan. And how exactly do you know how the demographic of the other 199 breaks down?? Also , you are counting out the certainty that there is a very UN-vocal majority here - people who read this blog who cant or dont comment(like myself , during the work week). You are presuming to speak for all of these people in a lot of what you state. I am sure there are plenty among the 200 people who bought the poster that didnt know who Dan Mccarthy was when they bought this , but did so anyway , without hesitation, based on the virtue of the quality of the print - because they liked it. Many of these bought other posters immediately , even if those ones didnt sell out in 7 minutes.I'm sure they werent part of the art groupie conspiracy that has you so inflammed.
MEL, throwing such overtly judgmental language around the way you do, is been polluting this blog with negativity recently. YOU are very definitely the one making this an US vs. THEM issue. I'm a LOST fan. I am an ART fan. BOTH. Get it? If I see a poster I like , as part of this event which is very much for me, as well as you. I will buy it. Deal with it.
I can see anon/5 seconds is trying to be diplomatic here, on the other hand. Kudos to him for giving his POV without resorting to condescension and hysteria.
..Lets not confuse the issue here. Every print so far has intrigued me, including Dan's. The more I look at them , the connections subtle and overt to LOST moments I appreciate. Their ART is obviously focused on LOST.
I have no problem with anybody being a LOST Fan and a specific Artist Fan.That is not the issue. I certainly hope a LOST FAN and a specific artist Fan is happy to see their artist expressing a LOST Moment and being part of this LOST FAN APPRECIATION EVENT. Its a double win for you...if you like his Lost work.
But the facts speak for them selves.
A 7 minute sell out vs a historical 1 hour. An admit to a network of communication for when A McCarthy print was revealed. A warning,,that if I thought this 7 minute sell out was bad,, wait till the jan ryan print comes up, it will be worse. If you can not recognize what is going on here, okay, fine, then do nothing. I have clearly said that already. Again, I don't believe I am talking about you.
I do believe I am talking TO, the LOST FAN who would like to have a fair chance at collecting all of these prints,,because,, so far, each print is so narrowly focused on LOST. That is as it should be since this is a LOST FAN APPRECIATION EVENT,,not a Dan McCarthy APPRECIATION EVENT. Its the subject of the ART ( LOST ) that is being offered as an Appreciation.
I have not heard of any of these artist before. I have not been into the silk screen print world. But, it is what is being offered. So, deal with it is what has been Suggested. I have been told frenzied blind selling out happens often with well known artist. Okay..now that the LOST FAN APPRECIATION has experienced the reality of those words..What to do?
You say there is nothing to get excited about. Thats the way it is. I say, YES there IS something that can be done so it doesn't repeat.. so 15 buyers are not told by email that there order has been canceled because the frame was oversold due the overwhelming volume,,BTW.even the previous Hot and most popular prints hadn't brought that embarrassment to Go Merch. Do You really believe GO MERCH folks are not also scratching there heads and trying to figure out a way that,, that won't happen again. Can you not see that if it continues,, a FAN APPRECIATION EVENT like this will likely not happen again due to all the animosity created? You say I am exaggerating..tell that to the 15 folks who were told their orders were canceled. Tell that to any and all LOST fans who have watched every episode of LOST over and over again, spent endless hours in chatrooms and at " the water fountain" really getting into this LOST TV SHOW and ITS ART..who happened to have been a bit relaxed about checking out the latest offering of appreciation,,only to find it not available..This IS Their Event and they have been pushed aside,, the Event has been hijacked. You say it could be just LOST FANS.. There is no historical data to back that up. There is a history of specific artist selling out their wares at an astonishing rate. AND.. we are being warned.. it WILL happen again ,, here.
Us vs Them..you make me laff..US= 1hour at best.. Them= 7 minutes. Do nothing and the chances of you getting a Print that you really do like,,dwindle and fade along with your non concern. Make an effort to keep this FOR LOST Fans,, and when a print comes along in appreciation that you like enough to want to buy..you at least have a fair chance at getting it. Its no more complicated than that. Its really quite simple. The facts speak for themselves.
...MEL
you fan apprication event has happended before. they are called gigposters. bands make show specific posters all the time and many are in short supply, sell out quick, get flipped on ebay, but it doesn't stop bands from making posters.
you're really making a much dire situation out of this than really exists.
another example. tyler stout makes posters for FANS of movies. these movies are usually shown in austin. these poster now sell out in minutes and no one whines about non movie goes buying the prints.
once again. this is a viral campaign that worked. i'm sure all involved on the back end are happy.
go merch isn't embarrassed. over selling happen all the time with limited items, not just posers.
I don't know if GoMerch is embarrassed, but I'm sure they took a lot of heat over what happened. They certainly earned themselves a lot of bad karma.
FWIW, I agree with MEL about this whole thing :) I do think Dan McCarthy probably leaked about the poster release to at least some of his friends/fans/family. But, time will tell. If poster ten goes in less than nine minutes, I'll happily concede the point.
also the idea that there ever would be another lost fan application event again is laughable. i'm sure you can hit comic cons for stuff but the producers are going to move on.
..on the issue of a Viral campaign that worked..It succeeded with LOCKE.. It Succeeded with Crash.. it succeeded with Smokie.. It succeeded with Machina..all sold out within an hour.. It succeeded with with The Statue.. It succeeded with the Van..Those took a few more weeks to sell out..but the Success was still there. The Numbersand the Triangle,, every one that has sold.. is not a success??? Again.. when everything you know is in the frame work of what you are use to,, its very difficult to see out side the box. This Viral campaign has been a Success ALL ALONG. Lost Fans,, and LOST FANS AND ART FANS..have successfully responded to this effort of appreciation. Lets keep that phenomena possible.
When you couch everything in terms of money..and see success ,, in terms of money..then you get the frenzied 7 minute crowd hijacking a Appreciation event.
When you present an Appreciation to the Fans..who see the " art" in terms of how it connects them to a LOST Moment...then there is more contemplation.. more " warming up to".. more exploration.. more thought.. involved..To judge " Success" in terms of Time.. is a misunderstanding of ART itself. The ART is of little concern to the 7 minute crowd.
...MEL
Mel, here's the thing. We don't know WHO the 7 minute crowd is. IIRC, of the LOST fans that we know of, there's a gap of like 140 poster numbers between the earliest and the latest purchased. Who are those 140 people? Lost fans? Unlikely. McCarthy fans? Maybe. General art collectors/Ebay sellers? Possibly.
I totally understand the irritation that this was OUR event and some people "seem" to have hijacked it. I'm perfectly happy if we had a bunch of McCarthy nuts swoop in on this one, because it means they won't be coming back.
i'm sorry i still think these will continue to sell out quick. lets say under 30 minutes.
i still think that no matter what, a viral campaign is a sucsess if you can sell 200 posters in 7 minutes. i would be happy if i were the producer and i has such demand for my project.
i still stand behind dan and any idea that he tipped fans off is crazy.
i know you dont want to hear it but the value some of these prints go for will do more concerning quick sell outs than even the artists following. with the locke print around 400 and otheres nearing 200 on the secondary market, chances are the people that you dont want, ie the flippers, are at your party. i'm sorry they're here but they are. i kinda hope i'm wrong but in the end i would bet on quick sell outs. i have a feeling they saved some of the bigger artist for the end.
good luck lost fans.
Amy.. i understand what you are saying..Sure the McCarthy crowd is gone.. but.. the 140 j ryan crowd will be here,, the 140 xyz crowd will be here...on and on. The Success of this LOST FAN Appreciation Event is already apparent,, without their presence. So..to keep that Appreciated Success going..smiley faces for the LOST FANS..it appears a measure of " privatization" is due.
Any LOST FAN tuned into this Appreciation Event should have a fair chance at realizing the Appreciation. I say,,that is no longer true. There are ways to restore that fair chance. But..the message has got to get to the TPTB first.
I can't imagine a Dan McCarthy Fan.. who has even bought in on a subscription..to react favorably to an email from Dan saying they won't be getting their print this month..because the subscription has over sold. The demand for change would naturally surface. I don't know..maybe my generalization there is over blown because McCarthy Fans really would accept that and say ..okay...thats the way it is..
..MEL
the idea that you're going to change the rules now because they are selling fast is CRAZY.
good luck trying to get that done. i'd tip my hat to you if you could get that done.
Anonymous, there's no need to be nasty.
As for changing the rules mid-game, they've done it several times. In the way the clues are revealed, what they point to (location, etc.) After the debacle at the FallOutBoy show, we've yet to see another event that wasn't free.
Maybe you should have to take a LOST quiz before you can purchase the print :) (just kidding. I think)
..of course its CRAZY!!..CrazY Times demand Crazy action.!...As Ben put it..the rules have changed!..Keme shot Alex! The 7 minute crowd killed the LOST FAN APPRECIATION EVENT! Go ahead and send a email to TPTB! Get Crazy Too! Vist Widmore in his bedroom and let'em know about your displeasure. Take back this LOST FAN APPRECIATION EVENT. Its FOR YOU AND ABOUT YOU. ITS YOURS. Now its up to YOU..to keep it YOURS. RESPECT YOURSELF and get cRaZy! Send an email today!!
...MEL
You guys are a bunch of whining sissies over these prints! Try a little harder for them maybe? But seriously look at Dan McCarthys other art. there have been a few fights over them but stop crying like little babies that you might not get your whole collection! i wanted the mccarthy cause i collect his art but i didnt get it so im not throwing a fit! BABIES!!!!
gonzo..thank you for proving almost all of my points..You Are exactly what I am Talking about..Thanks again..MEL
Mel, don't waist your time on people like Gonzo. Some people have no class.
seriously say what you want, but damn i tried for this too and all i hear is you guys whining that us at expresso took all your posters wwaaah waaah! Try collecting art not just watching a dumb show!
Amy..your suggestion of a quiz is not new. Its already being done. So..lets be discrete, okay?
ya right they arent gonna make you take a quiz to win a poster! YOu guys wish it was that easy for you!
Peace
What do you mean by "discrete"? Geez
Gonzo, we get it. You don't like LOST. You like to call people names. Nice.
gonz...the first thing you say to a person digging themselves into a hole, is,, Stop Digging!
Gonz..STOP DIGGING!!
You've already validated my points for me...No need to keep repeating..Thanks again..MEL
@MEL
get a grip. it's only ink and paper. your sense of entitlement is amusing and very naive.
bands that sell out 50k seat venues print 500-1000 posters for the show. does that mean some people that want the print and are "fans" miss out? yes.
a show that has millions of worldwide viewers sells 200 of each poster. does that mean some people that want the print and are "fans" miss out? yes. deal with it.
you aren't entitled to anything except your opinion.
supply, demand and hype are what are at play here.
all your posters are belong to us.
Anon..Your refusal to respect the idea of ..LOST FAN APPRECIATION EVENT,,I have already made a point of. Thank YOU for proving my point.
Calling me naive,, is also calling TPTB naive,,since they are the ones who created and titled this event.. THE LOST FAN APPRECIATION EVENT..For you and those like you to keep insisting that it is not a LOST FAN APPRECIATION EVENT..again,,proves my numerous points I have have stressed over and over again. Again.. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR VALIDATING MY POINTS.
If your grandmother had a McCarthy print on the wall..you would steal it from her , because it really belongs to you..Thanks again.. for proving my point.
This viral campaign is titled , LOST FAN APPRECIATION EVENT. I have no qualm if a print sells out to LOST FANS.By all appearances most have. Therefore..This viral campaign.. has been a success all along...with out the art groupies.
We,, the LOST FAN,,have paid our dues and are now being rewarded in a beautiful currency. That you insist you have every right to it is to a degree , a form of theft. You confirm that.. by stating the Prints are yours.
Thanks Again for validating almost all my points. ...MEL
I wonder what would happen if we re-phrased the situation a little bit.
What would happen if we found out that Shepherd Fairey was doing a LOST-themed print. (Not part of any special LOST promotion, just a print he wanted to do to show appreciation to HIS fans)
I think that if a LOST fan caught wind of this, then they would post the info on some lost boards, and other LOST fans would get excited and want to buy it. Then, when the print was finally released, a bunch of fans (understandably) would go and buy it. Let's say the print sold out in 7 minutes, and all of the Shepherd Fairey fans got upset that a bunch of 'outsiders' went and bought up all of their prints, not because they were fans of the artist, but because we liked the theme of the print.
As a Lost fan, I wouldn't want a Shepherd Fairey fan to tell me that I wasn't entitled to buy that print because I wasn't a true Fairey fan. I would laugh if they accused LOST fans of orchestrating a sell-out without truly appreciating the artist.
What I am saying is this: If the tables were turned, then we wouldn't much like the accusations that 'we' are slinging around. Apart from the odd flipper, everyone who bought the poster did so for their own reasons, either for the subject or the artist. And neither of those reasons should generate the malice I am seeing, from both communities. Again, it's the vocal minority of both communities who get the attention, but do not speak for the majority, IMO.
5seconds
5 sec.. your analogy doesn't work as a,, if the shoe was on another foot. here is why....I can buy any of the artists presented so far,,any of them..on the web, RIGHT NOW.
There are PLENTY of LOST related posters and paintings and prints Available on the WEB.. RIGHT NOW. ANY body can go buy them.. RIGHT NOW.
So to suggest LOST FANS would scurry to a random and unconstrained sale..is not backed up by reality. Again.. you prove my point about being confused over the name at the bottom of the print..and the ART being depicted.
Thanks again for validating my point. I see you all have decided to come here enmass. So I have succeeded in at least making you take alook at your self in the mirror. As to me..I see a LOST FAN when I look in the mirror. And have been happy as a fly on a pile of ...with this LOST FAN APPRECIATION EVENT. I just resent when a a bunch a posers come in and chime in on my reward.
Thanks again for validating my points..MEL
mel, all you've done is prove that you're taking this too far and in turn making people even more interested in buying YOUR posters.
i know i'm buying any and all lost posters from here on out, reguardless of the artist or how good or bad the print is.
@ MEL also...it's hilarious that you keep stating "thanks for validating my point...," when no one actually has done that. And you keep running from the real points being made by myself and by 5 seconds. you're talking yourself into circles, making no point at all. go on and say that again. it's actually funny.
I think perhaps you are the one who is confused. I am a LOST fan. I have bought a few art print before, but I have been registered with The Numbers forum for several years, posts in the thousands. I own the DVDs, I played TLE, Find815, DWY etc. I have not decided to come here en masse; you mistake me for someone that I am not. I really hope you are not referring to me as a "poser"
And my analogy does work. I know for a fact that I, and several other LOST fans, would love to see a Shepherd Fairey LOST print, wether or not it was part of this promotion. (And not for the name, but because I know he would probably do a great job of treating the subject matter).
If the suggestion that LOST fans would scurry to a random and unconstrained sale.."is not backed up by reality." , then I put to you that the suggestion that they would NOT do so is also not backed up by reality. Besides, it was a thought experiment, and thinking about the situation from other points of view can often help understand the motivation of others. I don't think that anyone buying these prints are doing so out of malice.
I am not sure which points I have validated for you, but I suppose that you are welcome.
5seconds
first time posting to this blog.
maybe the Dan McCarthy print sold out so quickly because it was the best one yet. I know a lot of people have been quietly watching these prints getting released and waiting for a really good one. I think Rousseau's Transmission was finally the one to bring many of these people to finally reach for their wallet and jump into the party.
there are maybe a few Dan McCarthy completists who would only buy this for name alone. Dan has also done posters & prints with word bubbles before, so that novelty can not explain the fervor over this print.
only 1% of theRousseau's Transmission posters sold have been put on eBay. I think many many of these went to fans.
@MEL: "You do know who Nikki and Paulo where, right? You are dead as Nikki and Paulo."
-it's your type of assumption and jumping to conclusions that caused them to be buried ALIVE.
-artPhan
@ 5 seconds... well said your analogy DOES indeed work.
@ artphan...well said, all of it.
It's about time we leave MEL and her negativity and hysterics alone.
5 sec..no you totally mis understood..A poster said that when the reveal showed it was a DAN MCCARTHY Print..an alert went out over a network..not before the reveal..Okay? ..I understand your stance of keeping this deal in the middle of the road..But I did NOT change the rules..I was content with a print selling out in an hour or a month..to LOST FANS. But the middle of the road has been washed away by the flood of art groupies. And there is a guarantee the same kind will return when its a Jay Ryan revealed.. I do not buy in that this Campaign needs the art groupies to be a success.. Its apparent to me that it has been a success without the art groupies. Checking in at various Lost sites.. there are just too many LOST FANS.. most more fervent about LOST than even me..who were denied a chance by the piranha art groupies. I make no apologies about suggesting the LOST FANS do something about the hijacking.
To the others..yes..you all keep bringing up the same excuses.. i am going to keep shooting them down..This is at least the 3rd go around on the same points. Refusing to acknowledge what I am saying,,does apparently lead to going around in circles.. Do seriously try to comprehend what is being said.. then maybe we can get of the same old points and move onto others....
I understand your insistence of.. being a McCarthy Fan allows you to come here and buy. I do not agree.
I have stated why I do not agree. I have heard nothing new, just variations on the same excuse.
And what is even just as disturbing.. is the total lack of any discussion about how the ART of Dan McCarthy reflects the ART of LOST in the Transmission Print. So.. if i have a perception of the art groupies as fox in the hen house..maybe because its what is not being said. But I've already said that,, and still no reply..So...yea, you got it.. thanks yada yada!.....STOP DIGGING.
..MEL
You said that when the print was revealed, an alert went around a network, NOT before the reveal. So if I am understanding you, you admit that the McCarthy fans had no advantage in buying this print. The 'alert' was nothing more than a few posts or emails, and the 'network' was simply some blogs or facebook pages. This is exactly how this information was diseminated by LOST fans.
You say that art fans have no right to buy these prints. Luckily the law and common sense disagree. When you first started posting about this issue, I was actually on your side a bit. I too think that LOST fans should maybe have first dibs on this, but when you continued by likening the acions of these fans to Trespass and Theft, you lost me.
Ultimately TPTB had every opportunity to set up a fan club, the have fans pre-register to be the first to buy (and selling whatever was left once the fan club had bought what it liked.) But they did not. I actually think that would have been a good idea, but that is not what happened.
I guess it's fair to say at this point that you have your opinion, and everyone else has theirs. No one is probably going to be swayed either way. I think the issue deserves the debate it has enjoyed till now, but with my points clearly made, I feel there is little more to add.
Thanks, to all involved!
5seconds
BTW..this continued claim of being a LOST Fan AND a Art Groupie..is starting to look a little thin. Its starting to appear as just a cover. I mean..people I know to be LOST Fans understand what I am saying. People who are not LOST FANS.. continue to not get it and trumpet and make excuse for their hijacking...Fascinating it is.
...MEL
Well, it's true. Sorry if that doesn't make sense to you. Check my post count at 4815162343.com if you want to see. (Joined May 2006, 2700 on-topic posts, 5500 total)
5seconds
5 sec.. you are missing the point..The point is.. LOST FANS have watched 5 seasons of LOST..spent endless hours in chatrooms etc etc.. have basically paid their dues and are now being appreciated.. The McCarthy fan,, gets on a network,,is alerted,, and rushes in and makes a buy...only because he or she can.
Again.. what part of LOST FAN APPRECIATION EVENT.. set up by the Powers That be for and about the LOST FAN ARE YOU NOT GETTING?.. Dan McCarthy has the same thing going.. its called a SUBSCRIPTION..How is it that , that is not good enough? Its meant solely for the Mc Carthy Fan... just like this LOST FAN APPRECIATION EVENT is meant, targeted, for the LOST FAN.
Why are they here if not to take advantage of an opportunity not meant for them?? So much for their appreciation for " ART".
..MEL
@artPhan - the "Dan McCarthy's print was BEST" is laughable. Seriously.
lol...diversity is a beautiful thing MEL. we can have many interest that collide and intersect peacefully.
as to how Rousseau's Transmission reflects the ART OF LOST, well I think it fulfills the mission of being a "water cooler moment" by including the characters and a wonderful interpretation of the landscape of the island while also staying true to Dan McCarthy's trademark style of using subtle hues to give depth and simple silhouettes that are realistic enough to discern some of the cast members. I believe his is also the first print to stray from the uniform dimensions of the other prints adding an unexpected twist which also mirrors one of the shows characteristics that make it so appealing.
-artPhan
@ MEL : "An admit to a network of communication for when A McCarthy print was revealed. "
When are you going to understand that there was no conspiracy here, no 'admit,' no heads up?? Of course we all speculated as to who the artists for this series are! The same way we here also speculated about what subjects the poster were going to be about: it's exciting. Mccarthy and Jay Ryan fans know, because we follow their work , that they have been working on a secret print - we simply add two and two together, and knew that there are only x number of frames remaining. GET it?? no conspiracy! You can look at this very blog the morning leading up to the reveal - haven't checked exactly when- that I , myself(under the name Frank- there are two here- before I chose an I.D. name), posted "I hope it will be the Mccarthy print today." .
That's the extent of inside info we had MEL. Understand? You can check his print club Facebook page if you like. You can witness the surprise in the comments and the congrats , the days AFTER the reveal, for yourself.
What you are grasping onto here is is hilarious MEL: ":Us vs Them..you make me laff..US= 1hour at best.. Them= 7 minutes." When are you gong to catch on that "THEM" has been a part of "US all along?? I, and others,have always been here MEL -poster collectors and die hard LOSTie. There was no "hijacking." Jeez.This is YOUR series yes, great for you. Enjoy. But it is also OURS. Wake up to this fact. You are not listening to what is being said here, and you are poisoning this blog with negativity and hot air.
@ all : This is a series that is gaining in popularity among LOST fans and poster fans , and every combination of the two. Enjoy the rest of the ride!! There is some great work to come , I'm sure!
...now let's please get back to talking about the fun of this series, please...?
I'm not being condescending. It's ART. There is no such thing as best.
@ MEL "The McCarthy fan,, gets on a network,,is alerted,, and rushes in and makes a buy...only because he or she can."
Get a grip. DO you really think 'the legions of Mccarthy fans somehow marshalled their forces online and led an assault' on this reveal in SEVEN MINUTES?!!!! You're paranoid and in denial. Your points have already been disproven . GET A GRIP. Really.
@MiddayShadows, I've certainly made negative comments about some of the posters, but I just think it's wrong to say "oh, Dan McCarthy's must be the best, artistically, because it sold out so fast.". I think it's fine, artistically, and in fact, better than many of the other prints. But the correlation between selling out a measly 200 posters and it's aesthetic value doesn't jibe.
the Crash is my favorite thus far, and the only one I have purchased.
I hypothesized that MAYBE Rousseau's Transmission was the "best" and that's why is sold out in record time. I stand by my hypothesis. As a whole, Rousseau's Transmission is the best as judged by it's overwhelming popularity, exemplified by the speed with which it was sold out and backed up by the fact that ONLY two out of 200 purchased have been offered up for resale on eBay.
-artPhan
artPhan, it'll be more telling to see how many or listed once people actually HAVE the prints in their possession. It's easier to sell a limited edition of a print when you know what number it is /300.
@Amylynn "I've certainly made negative comments about some of the posters, but I just think it's wrong to say "oh, Dan McCarthy's must be the best, artistically, because it sold out so fast.". I think it's fine, artistically, and in fact, better than many of the other prints. But the correlation between selling out a measly 200 posters and it's aesthetic value doesn't jibe."
Ok, I understand what you meant now. I don't necessarily agree , but my apologies.
Midday..I do not agree that you have been here all along. The numbers do not back you up on that. Thats pretty clear.
artPhan..Thank you very much for taking the next step..YES! lets talk about the McCarthy Print!
Being a newbee to McCarthy, I did take the time to go have a look at his work. Yes.. his style he continues into the Transmission print. I really like how he uses depth and makes it TIME. I forget the title of it,, but the dark mountain starry nite work of his,, strikes me as really good at making the depth of the print into Time. This is a good trait because TIME,, what is TIME,,how TIME is Perceived.. matter of fact,, How we perceive all together..has been a motif thru out all of Lost.
Dan does a subtle job of the depth / time perception..as subtle as the colors he used. Excellent unifying of the elements of the craft,, for a unified message.
The flow begins at the dark bottom..a scene from season one, our LOSTies at a Key moment and the audience at a key moment in understanding that LOST has just opened a whole new dimension with this scene. I do take note tho..Dan doesn't put Verbage balloons in his other work,, at least none that I looked at.
The eye flows up the print.. further in depth, further forward in Time. We saw drawings and heard mention of it,, but we didn't see the actual radio tower until season 4. The print continues up as do my thoughts, that we didn't come to an understanding of how it was that Danielle spoke those words,, until season 5. Depth and Time merge..but wait.. there's MORE!
Dan isn't done. He has left a brilliant white space ..the same brilliant white of the ending of season 5,,and possibly the beginning of season 6. The Print by Dan spans all the seasons of LOST. The hidden valleys suggest to me the many mysterys thru out LOST never explained. The feel of the print, brings me to feelin the sweat rolling down the brows and staining the armpits of the LOSTIES on Island. Excellent use of color and depth. Again..the Print to me is more than the moment at the bottom. This print transcends to all the seasons of LOST..yes.. Black to White an all the subtle shades in between. A rather good print in expressing so much,, with so little. I believe that is what Dan is really good at,, and he has succeeded with this Print..imho.
..MEL
@ MEL "Dan doesn't put Verbage balloons in his other work"
Yes he has. But good that you're at least beginning to look at his work.
Glad you took my advice and started talking about the actual artwork. Even if you never did have the guts to respond to my posts. Please keep it up!
This print is IMO, superior to a few of the more 'hyped ' prinst in the series. Alongside 'Locke's Secret', 'Rousseau's Transmission' is my favourite of the bunch.
To those unfamiliar with Mccarthy's work, his art (generally speaking)has a simplicity to it it , yes, but compels you to keep looking further at it, absorbing the story of the image he depicts. Details reveal themselves eventually. It's very cool that the same can be said of LOST itself.
I love the use of space here. The characters feel truly 'Lost.' And as is the way the island is depicted on the show, it is both beautiful and foreboding. I **love** how the communications tower is seen in the background, so far away.
most recently Dan McCarthy used a text balloon for a Sonic Youth gig poster in July. Before that, you would have to go back to 2005 where he used one for a Wilco poster. He also has one gig poster from 2002 featuring a transmission tower. His earlier work often relied on source images/material found around his home in Jamaica Plain, MA.
I think, as mentioned earlier in this blog by another person, the source images for the characters is probably derived from one of the many promo shots done by ABC. That's how he was able to accurately depict recognizable silhouettes.
I was also thinking about the layering of time in the mix of imagery within the poster as certain elements weren't shown (like the radio tower) in the same season. I think that they just appear hear to help tie the story into a unified image and that no deeper implication of the time anomaly was intended by the artist.
As far as tying in deeper elements of the show, Kevin Tongs print of the Hatch does a great job. The floating island, gears turning behind the scene, Locke's frustrated pounding on the hatch and the light beaming up all speak volumes about the struggle and mysteries the show has offered us.
-artPhan
Shut Up MID DAY.. I have Been suggesting to discuss the print for at least two days now,, Please.. do try to comprehend better..
I am not here to be commanded around by the likes of you.. that you post words to command me around just shows what reality you live in.. and your ability to deny other realities around you. Take your insulting act to some one else.. I ain't buying it.
I do not deny McCarthy Fans their adoration for his art. They have a SUBSCRIPTION they can enjoy.How is it that they seem justified in denying my adoration for LOST?.Please Midday.. I do NOT need you to tell me to keep it UP.. I am ALREADY AM LOST FAN..an apparent observation that has gotten by you...
..MEL
@MEL and the other Whiners!
This whole blog is too funny! You guys seriously are whining still that you didnt get your recent Lost poster done by MCCARTHY!!! Waaah waaah! Mel you are a DONKEY in my Opinion, and Amy wow Dan is amazing and this is one of his Best recently! But after all that, i have been following this Poster release more than others because of the artists but doesnt that HELP your stupid show? I mean seriously the thing doesnt start for like 2 more months but we have you idiots on this blog whining like a bunch of idiots! I didnt get this print like alot of other McCarthy Completionists, so please STFU!
GONZO
I do not deny McCarthy Fans their adoration for his art. They have a SUBSCRIPTION they can enjoy.How is it that they seem justified in denying my adoration for LOST?.Please Midday.. I do NOT need you to tell me to keep it UP.. I am ALREADY AM LOST FAN..an apparent observation that has gotten by you...
Yes i enjoy my sub, and will enjoy depriving you of the rest of these prints!
Gonzo
would not be suprised if there was a glow-in-the-dark layer adding/revealing another dimension.
fingers crossed, for me at least...
Guys, can we please chill out on the name calling?
Nicely said artPhan. I know you know your Mccarthy.
Finally some dialogue here that lends us some context for this print..
Gonz.. at least you are honest enough to put forth how it is from your point of view. Its very revealing. I had made a few generalizations suggesting your stance. Now I know for absolutely sure,, my generalizations are spot on. I have assumed a course of action in knowing what I am up against. Its good to know my course of action needs little adjustment if any at all.
...MEL
ya id like to see your collection Seasons 1 thru god knows how many lame ass seasons of Lost and the first 9 Posters from Lost, and maybe a good selection of Porn to jerk off to! But aside from that let us collect what we want and stop whining when collectors come in and swoop up what you thought would be any easy FLIP for you!
Thanks again Mel you make me laugh
Gonzo
i'm glad i could introduce you guys to Mel. Mel is a hoot.
watch out Mel, i run the super secret Jay Ryan emergency print drop systyem or JYEPDS if you will. the signal is sent out from my brain so word gets out fast when the Jay print drops.
crap is the JREPDS
damn me
..just as I thought.. a bunch of teenage boys posing as adults.. ain't this web wonderful?
..MEL
nope i'm 30 and am a stay at home dad.
i just enjoy lost and trying to buy hard to get prints.
the fact that you hate me just adds to the fun.
wow... so if it's such a LOST APPRECIATION EVENT wouldn't it be limited to LOST APPRECIATION EVENT ticket holders?! what a bunch of whiners.
@ MEL,
I'm actually a poster nerd (and big time McCarthy and Ryan fan), who actually started watching LOST because of this print series since I wanted to know the meaning behind the different prints. I'm very thankful that this came about because I got some great art about a great show.
well if you came in after this poster series i dont know if you should be allowed to buy them. i'm just trying to enforce MEL's rules.
Ok, as mentioned before the other admins and I don't want this thread going on for ever as a platform to annoy each other.
Everyone is entitled to opinions and entitled to express them, however this site has always prided itself on how civil and courteous people that visit it are.
The other Admins and I have had a few concerns expressed via email so we are reluctantly going to shut down this comments section for fear that it will get out of hand.
Please DO NOT take this discussion to other comment sections on this site, any spill over into other comments will be removed.
There are plenty of other sites non Lost and Lost related that you can continue the discussion on.
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