Monday, May 24, 2010

The End - Discuss 580

No updates, no new posters, just a place to discuss the end if you want to, be warned the no spoilers rule is rescinded for this post.

The picture is from my garden this morning shortly after the episode started when the light was the brightest and warmest it's been this year, sort of fits really.



We have just received finale thoughts from Ben Morse and I thought I would share them with you all.

A TV series lives or dies by it’s final episodes. It’s the final images, rewarding ardent fans ideally, and swaying those that sat on the fence that actually, this show was special. Sunday night / Monday morning’s Lost finale was just that – an extraordinary grace note that consolidated six years of one of the most ambitious science fiction dramas ever committed to by a major network.

The genius of Lost lies in its flaws.......

Click here to read the rest of the article

It is at its base, a show about being human. About connections, emotions and memories. The argument between science and faith. Live together, die alone – because as we learned at the end, whatever happened, happened.

If that seems like Lost cliché overload, it isn’t. Because these are notions that were brought up six years ago, five years ago, last week, buried amongst dense theological abstracts, quantum physics, religious symbology and that bloody electromagnetism.

For instance – take The Cork – a literal cork? A gateway to hell? An electromagnetic conduit? Lost taught us, very gently and carefully that our obsession with these details is irrelevant. It’s just there. And it needed replacing. Hell, at that point I forgave the tunnel of love from two episodes ago (I still maintain that episode was deeply flawed, and could have been handled better).

And the oh-so-cleverly mislabelled “flash sideways” that fans named, and Cuse & Lindelof happily lifted resolved successfully, quite the achievement in itself, but that it came in the form of an emotional sucker-punch so far out of left field that by all rights you should splutter in disbelief made it all the more special. I’m not ashamed to say Jack’s resolution (and consequently, all of the castaways) was the final moment I burst into tears openly. Hurley’s destiny, Ben’s apology, all found me with something in my eye.

A large part of the credit for that must fall with a cast, who really stepped up in the dying hours of the show. Jorge Garcia, Matthew Fox, Terry O’Quinn and Michael Emmerson obvious standouts in a uniformly strong ensemble. In a season that has had its mis-steps at times (I still don’t like that The Smoke Monster didn’t have a name, and that Jacob turned out to be kind of a douche – but hey! That’s what makes them fallible and human, which is what the show is about, right? RIGHT?) the commitment by the cast to the ideals of the show, and putting their trust in Jack Bender’s assured direction created a credible, moving piece of drama.

We are still left with hundreds of questions. Lost was never going to answer them. The trick was making us not care, something it managed in spades. It still played ball with it’s fans though. The two and a half hours were filled with those little moments that die-hards have loved, obsessed over and developed with the show – references to Olly Moss’ Locke’s Secret art print as Locke dies in the shape of the corpse on Hitchcock’s Vertigo poster – “Christian Shepherd. Really?” – Christian standing in front of a Unitarian stained glass window, the extraordinary closing minute wrapping the show full circle. It seems cheap to compare Christian to a God figure, and Jack to Jesus, but with his dying for our sins, and oh-so symbolic side wound, and six years of being beaten up, there’s no confusion over what was intended here. But it’s a start point, not an ending, and not finite – there were elements of the divine in Hurley, in Locke, hell – even Ben’s Judas had his transcendental moments.

A TV series lives or dies by its final episodes. It’s the final images, rewarding ardent fans, ideally. For six years, Lost fans lived together, and it doesn’t matter if you were faith or science, Jack or Locke, Jacob or Smokey. Lost was about the experience of being human. And in tapping into that (and realising the best way to hide it from it’s audience was in plain sight) Lindelof & Cuse can sit proudly as owners of a very special piece of TV.

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mrtibbs said...

Not seen you in ages comix! You always had the abilty to make me smile with your posts, missed that of late :D Better get to sleep, late here in the uk. Take care

Team Jack said...

Amy, that comment to Chaseter may be the biggest pot-kettle-black I have ever seen. You can't really expect people to take your accusations of him trolling seriously when you are baiting/flaming him and Lisa directly, as well as anyone in the group who liked the finale in general.

Damon's comments just further prove what a true gentleman he is. His finale was a love letter to fans, thanking them for their devotion. I for one, thank him. I cried my eyes out during the finale and have been too depressed that Lost is gone for another rewatch yet. Like Zort, nothing anyone can say will ever change my opinion on the show/finale. If good (albeit crazy) friends who dropped the show earlier on could never tame or stop my obsession, someone posting insinuations or insults on here surely won't. ;)

chaseter said...

Vincent lying down next to Jack as he died was one of the saddest moments in tv history. Then the plane flying over with his friends on it as he knew they got off safe was just a tear jerker.

IWish said...

@Clay

The status on my Burwell just changed to "queued" today. I'm so excited to see it...especially due to the good news you posted about the print. Can't wait! I'll post a picture when I rec'v it. If it ships tomorrow, I should rec'v it Saturday. Fingers crossed.

John LaHair said...

So on a much different note... don't you love when you get an email that starts out like this:

Hey There!

Thanks for ordering from the Go Merch store. Order number 128696 has shipped from our warehouse in Los Angeles, CA. Please allow 5-7 business days for your domestic USA order to arrive to you. Your items were shipped via USPS and your tracking number is...

Order # 128696 = GUY BURWELL FOR THE CANDIDATE CAVE

Ordered Black Rock & Not Penny's Boat... so it looks like posters are not being shipped in order as to when they were purchased/

John LaHair said...

@Seaque - totally did not see your post before I posted.... not sure why. Print s/b way cool!

Team Jack said...

Lol thanks for posting that JPL, I was worried at first until I saw you mention they aren't being shipped in order. Whew. ;p

mungonna said...

Again..Amy I disagree with your comment about acknowledging they mite have blown it..With Damon saying you could perceived it the way they wrote it..intended it to be.. or you didn't..it was very gracious of him to say ..Sorry. But He Still Did Say..here is what we intended and Yes..many who cried thru out..got it. Tears running down the cheeks of 2000 fans in the Orpheum Theater validate my point. I mean to say...there are those of us who got it..and thats all that matters.. If NOBODY got it..then your comment would have some validity..But since so many DID get it..your very own little snipe,,has been observed.

Of course,,accepting his gracious apology with grace..would mean you are in the camp that you didn't get it. So, seeing you go as far as you did..is a good start.

EWL
MEL

Amy Lynn said...

I understood it just fine. I just didn't like it.

And again, 2000 people being emotionally manipulated into crying does not a good story make. In the end, LOST professed to be about love, and getting to heaven with those who had an impact on your life... neither of which were major themes for the first 5 and a half seasons.

John W said...

@amy lynn - it's all in how you word it...

I would say: In the end, LOST professed to be about the relationships we have with people and the influences we have on their lives and they on ours... both of which were major themes for the first 5 and a half seasons.

Clay said...

@seaque

just so ya know, ive had an order that says "queued" for 14 days now.

whoever gets the posters first please post some pics! thanks

IWish said...

No worries, JPL.

My Burwell order #129226. Like I said, hoping it will ship tomorrow.

mungonna said...

Again...Amy .. i find you perception of LOST to be askew from what was presented...but thats yours and the conclusion it has brought you too is Yours. So..are you happy with your conclusions? If you are Happy with them..who am I to argue? You are who you are. But I offer..if you are not happy with your conclusions..to open yourself to other perceptions.

I do not know what kind of Writing you do. But being adverse to the the idea of letting in a work of craft or Art..to let it move oneself..to be manipulated by a craft work ,,seems odd. Empathy,,pathos..all of that..seems the key to any successful writing of fiction. Seems you mock it. Odd.

EWL
MEL

Clay said...
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John LaHair said...

@Team Jack... thought the same thing. :)

@John W - Word up!

@All - Could the last 10 minutes of LOST be compared to the prints DCAAPB made available? Some I liked whereas others didn't... some I didn't like, whereas others did. Each person had a different perspective on what they "saw" or didn't "see" in each print.

Speaking of prints... we might have a guest drop by, so let's put on a :) and welcome him if he does.

Clay said...

people really cried at the end of Lost? Is this female fans saying this or male? As a 30 year old man, I didn't find the finale sad in the slightest, but my doctors say I'm emotionally disconnected from the world :) I thought the scene with Jack and and Vincent was happy and peaceful. Like Jack had finally accomplished what he set out to do, and his friends got off the island. Nothing sad about that to me!

chaseter said...

In a show with a smoke monster, god-like humans, ghosts, people with powers, time travel, and energy anomalies...I would say that purgatory as a plot device isn't crazy or lazy.

Who knew the alt universe was purgatory? Nobody. So I say bravo to Darlton for fooling us once again. Everyone thought the alt reality was an actual alternate reality. That isn't lazy writing, that is great writing.

IWish said...

@Clay, in queued 14 days?! Yikes!

Mark Englert said...

I'll be curious to see actual pics of the Burwell piece... I'm still on the fence about it.

@Amy I think the connectivity of the castaways lives, pre and post crash was a HUGE theme throughout the show and it definitely paid off in the finale.

@Clay most everyone was crying at the Jay and Jack party. Men and women alike!

mungonna said...

Clay..sorry to hear of your disconnectedness.You may be missing a good part of what it is to be a human being. Do they have pills or therapy for that? Well at least you got the warm fuzzy of Vince and Jack.

Yes..fans in the Orpheum were grabbing the Kleenex nearly thru out the 2.5 hours. Yes..It was All About the FEEL....Empathy.. SUCCESS!!!!!

EWL
MEL

John W said...

@clay, I'd agree that I didn't find the finale sad. Emotional is probably a better word. I saw a lot more "happy" tears (mostly at the awakening moments) where I was than sad ones, but all in all, a LOT of them.

Team Jack said...

@John W YOU get it. That's the point.

Obviously Amy does not. Excuse you and your obnoxious rudeness, Amy. No one manipulates me into anything. Were that the case, your pathetic, offensive remarks insinuating only intelligent people and "real" writers "get" how horrible the ending was would have worked.

As usual, you missed the entire point of the series. From day 1 we have seen that these characters were related to each other somehow. The point I got from the series is that as flawed and effed up as we are and life in general is, we are all human and that alone connects us. These people shared an experience that connected them, that helped them realize who they really were, that helped them deal with the serious, troubling issues in their lives. The fact that they reunited in the end was really not the point. It was a statement that they'd figured out their own meaning in life and were able to move on. Letting go was the real message of the series, and THAT was spoken from the beginning. Jack always needed to fix things and couldn't let go. Finally in both the island world and the sideways world he was able to realize the bigger picture. I didn't see them as all in "heaven". I don't know that I even believe in heaven, and the multiple religious icons on the stained glass said to me, this isn't about WHOM is right about the afterlife, etc. It was about these characters journeys, and thus OUR journeys as human beings.

Which brings me to my next point... A truly well crafted TV show, film, book, or piece of music can make me exhibit all sorts of emotions, crying being only one of them. When I can feel something, when I relate to something, remember experiencing it, understand it, when it touches me, then yes, I show emotion. It's called being human.

I am a woman, yes, but so what Clay. Does that really matter what sex people are in regards to it? I don't cry at everything, but if something moves me, I do. And for the record I didn't just cry at the ending. I cried off and on the entire 2 1/2 hours. I admit I was very sad already that the series was ending, but for me, it was all the montages that got to me. They were amazing, beautiful, touching, depressing yet also happy. They helped me find resolution with the characters and they also helped me let go a little. I adore Jack (obviously!) and have since the pilot so I'm sure the ending was much more moving for me because of that.

That being said, I have friends that were not Jack fans per say and they still loved it. And while we're on the topic... I go to UCLA, I am an Anthro major/Film minor. Through classes, network opportunities, industry events, etc. I have met people in every aspect of the business. I have tons of friends who are writers, who have worked on shows, films, etc. So one person and their husband do not have an authority on whether writing is good or not. If I want an opinion of someone IN the industry that I respect, I'll ask them. And oddly enough, the ones I have asked have NOT all said the writing was awful. Amazingly enough, many of them have liked it! OMG. What a shock. Then again, I could care less. I have my own opinion as a film student, as a writer, as a fan of the show for six years. THAT is good enough for me.

Amy Lynn said...

Team Jack, I find it hilarious that you object to my tone, and then insinuate that I "don't get it" and am not human. LOL.

Team Jack said...

Sorry you didn't understand, let me clarify.

1)I'm not insinuating anything.

2)YOU CLEARLY DON'T GET IT.

3)My being human comments were in regards to ME not being "allowed" to cry. I'm human, when I feel something, I will in fact show it.

The world does not revolve around you. Most of those comments were in regards to ME and my take on things. If you aren't clear, I suggest you just ask me next time. Stop putting words in my mouth. If I wanted that, I'd hire a writer I respect to script my entire life. Would make it SO much easier.

Amy Lynn said...

You're insinuating that it's not possible to "get it" and think it's cliche/predictable/not good enough.

Just Thinking said...

KI-my comments about Shannon are not really to criticize her, but to point out that something about me makes me react strongly to her. Just to say, when we are strongly drawn to something, or made angry by it, a large part of why is in us, not the thing. Worth thinking about why we "over" react- or immediately respond to minor provocation.
Instead of thinking why is that guy such a jerk, sometimes it should be , what are my buttons that are so easily pushed?

Team Jack said...

I wasn't aware you were thinking for everyone else on the planet Amy. Perhaps you should notify people when you receive a title like that! It certainly would make it a lot easier on the rest of us!

To clarify MY OPINION (which is different from yours, they are not the same thing, contrary to your belief)... I am surprized that people don't get the ending to Lost. Do I think it's possible for them to not get the ending of Lost? Yes. You are proof of that.

I actually DO think it's possible to understand it and not like it. Once again, that was YOUR comment, NOT mine. YOU stated it was about things I don't believe it was. I don't think you get it, plain and simple. That's MY opinion. You have every right to not like it, that is an entirely different point from this arguement. I don't get where you are coming from on either of your points, but that is YOUR right to a different opinion than mine.

AND THAT is the point of this thread. You clearly have NO tolerance for other people's differing viewpoints so much so that you feel the need to lower yourself by insulting them. That's what I find pathetic. Disagree, fine. But insulting people because they liked it is the stupidest arguement I have ever seen. That's not an insult either, so don't jump to that conclusion. I didn't say YOU were stupid, I think it's a stupid act. You clearly have other data you are using to "back up" so to speak your opinions on the show. Insulting people just loses you credit on those points.

John W said...

Good news, everyone! There's even more Lost to argue over, coming this fall!

Team Jack said...

rotfl John, you got that right!! ;) More b@&$%ing! I guess that solves the why did Damon say they'd shot MDK doing more stuff ?, good to know. I won't mind knowing what happened with Hurley, etc. But overall, I'm ok. It's done. Eventually I will let go. Just. Too. Soon. ;)

John W said...

@Team Jack - yeah, I've been wondering since Times Talks Live how/where he was going to show up.

Team Jack said...

lol I watched the finale and thought oh, they meant one of the "alternate endings" but after Kimmel I was like FTW?! Totally confused. All makes sense now. ;p

Clay said...

awesome! that certainly explains the missing MDK scenes!

Ray said...

Can we talk about Michael? Why is it that Ben can be redeemed but Michael's sacrifice wasn't enough for him to escape te whispers? I feel bad for Michael :(

WAAAAAALLLLLLTTTTT!!!!!

@Amy Lynn: how funny was that at UCB?

John W said...

I'm also wondering if we'll see any more of Michael in this epilogue. I know in the past Harold Perrineau hadn't been overly happy with the way the Michael/Walt story ended, so I was surprised to see him on the JKL Aloha show, and in a somewhat good mood. Especially since he was only in a tiny part of season 6 and not in the finale at all. Maybe Hurley/Ben will help bring some closure? Just a theory.

Team Jack said...

John I never got that, i.e. Harold and Adewale's disgruntled comments. I love that Harold bitched they killed him off and it was a racist thing! Yeah. Right. Totally makes me lose all respect for an actor when they make comments like that. He recanted later, but still. Funny how the TON of actors killed off before him didn't complain. Kind of a low blow imho to use the race card. Characters die on Lost, duh. lol

Amy Lynn said...

@Ray, WAAAAAAAAAALT. That was clearly the best.

For those who weren't there: Zombie Claire and Zombie Sayid were giving away gifts to the audience, including a CD of Michael screaming "WALT" over and over again. And then they played the CD :)

Ray said...

And the way that zombie sayid and Claire stared at the guy they gave it to, unmoving and unphased during the entire clip, was priceless.

Team Jack said...

JPL So you got me curious!! lol No emails so I thought I'd log in to dcaapb and check my status. Oddly enough the one "processing" for me is the Tara McPherson one. Everything else says "preorder" still. Weird.

Mark Englert said...

My Tara print also says "processing" and preorder for the rest.

My wall is waiting for the prints! http://twitpic.com/1r1iv4

Ray said...

My Tara also says processing.

IWish said...

Me too, Tara/processing.

Unknown said...

From @Amy Lynn's post:

"From the LA Times.

Well, ABC wants to clear the air: Those photographs were not part of the "Lost" story at all."

I said as much in an earlier post. The shots of the plane were AFTER the Lost title card. That title card and sound effect were, for every single episode, the marker for 'the end of tonight's episode'.

Narratively, that means the last shots were simply...shots. I do recognize that it -did- confuse some audience members. But given that I understood exactly what the shots were for, it literally took someone explaining to me -why- they thought everyone was dead and using those shots to justify it for me to even see where they got confused.

Given that is -did- confuse people that much, I wish they hadn't used them. But narratively, they were never supposed to be part of the show--the Lost title card made that clear (or rather, should have.)

John W said...

Mine, too! Anyone have an idea of how long it usually is between processing and shipping for prints?

IWish said...

UnseenPresence said...
"From the LA Times.

Well, ABC wants to clear the air: Those photographs were not part of the "Lost" story at all."


I'm fairly clueless when it comes to these things...but when I saw the photos of the crash scene...not once did I think it was part of the actual episode. I find it kinda' funny that some people did. I understand now, I guess, why they did. It just never once occurred to me that's how it would be taken by some fans.

Team Jack said...

UP exactly my thoughts.

JPL you have wondering now... do you by chance remember if your order status changed before the shipping email? I am around 300 orders behind yours and no status change. Weird.

mungonna said...

Speakin of Art...

What a poignant little..almost throw away scene!!!..Miles picking off and showing Richard,,his first gray hair..Such simplicity with great meaning..Alperts reply..I'm Alive!! expressed in great Joy...beauty..beauty beauty....there have been so many little throw away scenes with so much meaning.

To be human..means accepting death..accepting change..rebirth..re-invention..creating anew....admitting to the possibility of being wrong..redemption that follows..etc..etc .all rolled up in a mans first gray hair. Alive Indeed. To be Alive!!! Thanks LOST for these great little gems!!!

EWL
MEL

Zort70 said...

mungonna said...
Speakin of Art...

What a poignant little..almost throw away scene!!!..Miles picking off and showing Richard,,his first gray hair.


Does that mean I'm not immortal now ?

Zort70 said...

I've just checked and my T-Shirt order is shipped but my posters are still in the preorder state.

Zort70 said...

Reading that info about the extra bits on the DVD my comment about "LOST : The Hurley Years" on The LOST Community wasn't too far from reality :-)

The Kharma Initiative said...

MEL, not just Alive, but Dying. Even more important for an ageless Cuban ready to finally meet his dearly departed.

JT, completely with you on asking why we react the way we do. Just sticking up for Shannon (and Sayid) - though I didn't read you comment as an attack on her. Should have used one of these - ;)

:)

Cosmically Yours

Weinbeeezy said...

Stopping in to say Hello! These forums have gotten to rowdy for me! Seems like Amy Lynn is the smoke monster and everyone is the casties fighting against her. IMO

andalone said...

my print statuses are the same as others here:

Lost Live Hurley - queued (since 5/14)

Candidate Cave - shipped

Sun & Jin - processing

Lost Live Jack - shipped - (I purchased this print last - on 5/25/10. I had only purchased the Hurley version of the LOST Live trio initially. But I felt compelled to have the Jack version after seeing the finale.)

All other prints on preorder.

I think it's terrific GoMerch is including tracking numbers on this series of prints!

Lisa-Maladylis said...

good morning all. My shirts are all shipped as well as the tote bag, the two posters I got - black rock and the Olly Moss both are on preorder. Can't wait to get them !

Robert said...

Really hoping that the new epilogue is on the Season 6 DVDs. As much as I am considering getting the complete series set on Blu Ray, I will be pretty angry if there is a ton of exclusive content in the complete set. Would be a total slap in the face for those of us that have been picking up the sets on DVD as they've been released.

Also,
CAN'T WAIT FOR MY OLLY PRINT!!!!

Lisa-Maladylis said...

I agree Robert. The price of the blue ray is a killer at 250 I think it was. Big ouch ! I do love my Dharma kit but after a while it just sits there and I'm not sure worth the huge price.

Amy Lynn said...

I think the BluRay is $194 on Amazon if you pre-order

Fabio Silva said...

received my Lost Live Hurley print and Olly Moss t´shirt today and both are amazing!
really happy with this!

Team Jack said...

I wouldn't be too jealous beezy. If it makes you feel any better, the behavior and actions witnessed at several of the Lost events these past two weeks puts your group clearly in Smokey's camp, in mho & others. ;)

Looks like the shipping has started. Good to know.

As for the Blu-Ray sets, I could be wrong but I'd bet $ they will come with extra goodies. Seems like that's the trend these days. Maybe they'll have a good promotion or sale price the first week? Target seems to usually have a deal.

Amy Lynn said...

*just wanted to point out that despite claims, she is not the one making nasty comments about fellow ARGers*

Lisa-Maladylis said...

Team Jack, the blue ray set comes with the game that Jacob and MIB played, a temple and some other extras. Here's a photo of it all. here
it says....Lost: The Complete Collection is an upcoming box set that will contain all 121 episodes of Lost. It will also contain over two hours of bonus footage exclusive to the complete collection. There will be 38 discs in the DVD set and 36 for Blu-ray. It is expected to be released, along with the Season 6 DVD, on August 24, 2010

Team Jack said...

Not in the las post Amy, but you've made multiple ones throughout this thread.

While I disagree with your opinion on the end, and more importantly several of the baited insults you made earlier regarding people who liked it... I found it quite ironic for anyone in that group to call you Smokey considering what I witnessed recently and at Gallery 88.

Amy Lynn said...

@TeamJack, are you implying I was at G1988, or any LOST event recently, other than the one I reported about?

Ray said...

NEW POST!

JRNayslayer said...

This is pretty cool and haven't
seen it on this thread yet. I'm
sorry if I missed it and this is a repost:

http://www.buzzfeed.com/rebeccae/lost-is-just-one-big-palindrome-nzp/

Zort70 said...

J.R., that has been a general theory for a while about LOST.

Lisa-Maladylis said...

it's silly but every time I see Jack die, it is gut wrenching. I started watching that link but it got to me. I want to watch the end a second time but I keep putting it off. Just can't do it yet. I will when my bf catches up I guess.

Anonymous said...

Dear Damon and Carlton.

How about one more....

Dan McCarthy for Final Showdown.

I'm seeing a panoramic with Locke on the cliff in the storm and Jack emergining from the jungle.

Metallic rain please Dan, like your Brooklyn Bridge print....;)

JRNayslayer said...
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JRNayslayer said...

AZort70, I've heard the theory before too, but find it interesting to watch the opening sequence in reverse. I hadn't
before that link.

@Lisa-Maladylis, I'm having a hard time going back and re-watching the ending too. For me, there's my response to the finale which is emotional and then the overall emotion that there is no more Lost. It's like two separate things - saying goodbye to Lost
and processing the finale. For me those two things are bleeding together and it's hard to keep
my feelings about each separate.

Just Thinking said...

KI- I was hoping to give a little advice to fellow Argers there-re the tone of late. No worries about Shannon.

I already have s1-5 on blu-ray-I got them for LU. I also will be in a snit if I need to get the whole set again to see Hugo and Ben.

Lisa-Maladylis said...

JT, I know that at least the DarkUFO will find it on you-tube. so you will be able to see it one way or another.

IWish said...

J.R. said...

@Lisa-Maladylis, I'm having a hard time going back and re-watching the ending too. For me, there's my response to the finale which is emotional and then the overall emotion that there is no more Lost. It's like two separate things - saying goodbye to Lost and processing the finale. For me those two things are bleeding together and it's hard to keep my feelings about each separate.

I couldn't have said it better, J.R.

Amy Lynn said...

Found on Lostpedia, for your consideration:

Fact: In the church, the only characters without a soulmate were Boone Carlyle and John Locke.

Theory: They are homosexual soulmates, but ABC couldn't broadcast that so they left it to our interpretation.

Ray said...

Boone was alone because he is a vampire. Locke was alone because he is bald. Case closed.

Lisa-Maladylis said...

I agree Seque Very well said J.R. !! I feel like I've lost a soul mate or family.

Amy Lynn said...

Can someone help me with an apparently HUGE plot hole?

If, after you die, you go into PurgatoryWorld, and don't know anything about your life on Earth, who was it that visited Hurley at Santa Rosa who looked exactly like Charlie? Who was he playing chess with that looked like Mr. Eko?

I hope you don't consider this a "mystery" that doesn't need answering. This is an actual question about the LOGIC of what we were shown.

Just Thinking said...

So you mean that Charlie couldn't have come from the f/side AL?

Amy Lynn said...

@JT, I'm just wondering about the timing of it. If he didn't know who Hurley was, how could he have gone to visit him?

Just Thinking said...

That was in the real world though- not the f/side world, I think. Not in the "purgatory " world.

The Kharma Initiative said...

Ray, thanks for injecting some much-appreciated absurdity into the discussion - we needed the laugh!

For anyone wishing they had been able to buy Surrender Art's 2008 screenprint "it's in the trees..." only to find it recently sold out, you can also purchase it from Surrender's publisher at link. It costs almost twice as much there though. Still a great deal even at $35. The artist Chris Lands is another diehard Lostie.

Daniel Danger's Black Rock print had not been even printed as of two weeks ago, so that's part of the reason why it hasn't shipped yet. With the compressed timeline for this second series project, I'm guessing at least a few of the other prints also hadn't been printed yet when they went on sale, which is why they say 'pre-order' and haven't shipped.

Only two dozen Lost Live Jack prints remaining, and a little bit more than that for the Lost Live Hurley. If you're interested, get 'em before they're gone!

Cosmically Yours

Lisa-Maladylis said...

yep your right JT that was real world. not the flash sideways world.

Just Thinking said...

Since there was no "time " in the f/side- he could have gone after he met Claire- if he had a way to hop into the real world.

Amy Lynn said...

@JT, but there's no internal logic to what you're saying. If, immediately after Charlie died, he went into F/sideways world, there's no way he could have gone to talk to Hurley.

John W said...

As I see it, there's no use trying to figure out chronology when talking about a place where time has no meaning.

Amy Lynn said...

That's ridiculous. Sorry, but it is.

The Kharma Initiative said...

JT, I believe you're correct in your response to Amy Lynn's question. We didn't see any 'flash-endways' until season 6. Charlie visited Hurley during Hurley's real life, after he left the island and was part of the Oceanic 6. Hurley wasn't dead then.

However, the question may be, if Charlie was dead and hanging around the flash-endways 'waiting' for everyone else to die, while at the same time being unaware of everybody else, what was he doing visting Hurley at Santa Rosa?

I think the answer to that is - the flash-endways may appear to be like normal life, but it's not. As Christian says, there's "no now here". You can't really try to overlap timelines between the flash-endways and 'real life' (whether that's on-island or Oceanic 6 off-island).

Cosmically Yours

Amy Lynn said...

"no now here" could be used to excuse everything. Cheap shot, bad writing.

John W said...

LOL. Keep on trollin'!

Amy Lynn said...

JohnW, I'm not trolling. But "no such thing as time" is being used as a catchall excuse not to explain anything that happened on the show. I call crap.

Anonymous said...

I think the real answer is.....there isn't one. Its another plot hole to add to the pile.

Still doesn't take away from how cool Jack was in the finale doing his running "sparta" attack on locke!

;)

The Kharma Initiative said...

You know another thing that's been used as a catch all excuse - time/consciousness travel. Without that idea, we wouldn't have had that cheesy emotional moment with Penny and Desmond on the phone. I mean, how can someone's mind hop around in one's own life through time. It doesn't make any sense. It's crazy talk!

Cosmically Yours

Amy Lynn said...

@TKI, clearly you don't understand the rules of writing.

John W said...

@Amy Lynn, We've heard many, many times that you disagree with the way the show was written. My point, as I stated before, is that just because you didn't like the writing, doesn't mean that it's bad writing.

Anonymous said...

LOST FINALE

Poor continuity.

Great ride.

The Kharma Initiative said...

Amy Lynn, you're absolutely correct. I've never read Strunk and White. Have read Charlotte's Web though. Actually, I only saw the cartoon. Does that count? Made me cry a little though. Probably bad writing. Not that I would know.

Cosmically Yours

Lisa-Maladylis said...

exactly the Kharma I. lol I mean the smoke monster and polar bears in the jungle and don't forget Kates horse are allowed but time jumping nope, not allowed lol ;-) said with total tongue in cheek

Amy Lynn said...

I don't see what's wrong with asking a show to obey it's own "rules"

Just Thinking said...

Well, I don't think there could be normal time in the f/side-if they were ever going to get together there. If so, they all would have to wait till Hurley died- that could have been 1000 years.

I think of it as a bubble on its own-and there you can look back at the whole of "real time"- perhaps entering at at any point?

John W said...

@Amy Lynn, I agree with you. The problem is that we don't really know what those rules are. We know what we think they are, from what we've been shown, but unless the writers decide to explicitly lay them out for us, we're just guessing and hypothesizing as to what the rules actually are.

Just Thinking said...

Hello- my name is JT. I am a DCAAPB addict. It has been 10 minutes since my last poster purchase- the Cave and Kate and Claire. Help.

Amy Lynn said...

@JohnW, not true. We are told by the writers that:

a) as soon as you die, you go to FSideways
b) after Charlie died he did not go to the FSideways

Zort70 said...

Can someone help me with an apparently HUGE plot hole?

If, after you die, you go into PurgatoryWorld, and don't know anything about your life on Earth, who was it that visited Hurley at Santa Rosa who looked exactly like Charlie? Who was he playing chess with that looked like Mr. Eko?

I hope you don't consider this a "mystery" that doesn't need answering. This is an actual question about the LOGIC of what we were shown.


That to me suggests that Hurley, like some other losties, have the ability or are given the ability to see across into the sideways / limbo world.

I believe that when desmond turned the failsafe key he was in the limbo world, I think when Locke had his sweat lodge vision that was a glimpse of the limbo world, Miles can talk to people in the limbo world very briefly.

Desmonds flashes of Charlies death could have been him glimpsing into the limbo at Charlie and finding outhow he died, and then trying to prevent it happening, but as we know it only ends one way.

If that is the case, and I'm not barking up a completely wrong tree, then it is a shame there wasn't more made of that so we saw some more connections between the real world and the limbo world.

(I don't use the word purgatory for a reason, I don't think it was purgatory at all, or at least not my definition of purgatory.

Zort70 said...

Hi JT, I'm quite shocked actually that more posters have not sold out yet.

Zort70 said...

I have answers for most things in my mind, the only one I'm not 100% sure about is what effect removing the plug would have had.

Maybe stopping everyone getting to the limbo world, so everyone hangs around like Michael for ever.

Or possibly opening up limbo so dead people can come back and do all sorts of damage, like MIB / smokey did.

IWish said...

Just Thinking said...

Hello- my name is JT. I am a DCAAPB addict. It has been 10 minutes since my last poster purchase- the Cave and Kate and Claire. Help

lol...me too. No buyers remorse here, though.

John W said...

@amy lynn, not true.

a) Where does the "as soon as" come from? I don't recall ever being told anything about the timing of that. In fact, it seems possible that the sideways didn't get created until they had all died.

b) We saw Charlie in the sideways. Do you mean immediately? Again, don't recall them ever talking about when exactly a "spirit" goes to the sideways. And even if some DO go immediatly, that doesn't mean we know they all MUST go right away. We don't know the rules.

mistersh0w said...

Ugh, things are gross in here now... What's with all the hate? Enjoy the show or don't, pretend to understand or don't, no need to argue about things we'll never get the answers to, so just cool and and accept that everything you've ever wanted to know about LOST is either IN the series or has already been talked about by TPTB. End of story. Debate all you want, but if the trolls want to act all high and mighty and pretend that their ideas/theories are superior to professional television show writers or surpasses the writer's ability to take care of minor inconsistencies in THEIR OWN SHOW, then let them. Doesn't make me love LOST any less. And it shouldn't bother any of you really that some people refuse to let a work of SCIENCE FICTION/FANTASY be just that. It's not real people, it's a made up story.

Amy Lynn said...

@JohnW, that nakes no sense that they'd have to wait for all of them to die to get into the FSideways. What did they do in the meantime?

mistersh0w said...

Also I just want to clear up, I'm not saying you shouldn't debate the series as a whole, but arguing about some things we'll never have the definitive answers to with both sides thinking they're right is pointless. The show is open ended on purpose. There's no need to sling mud around just because someone thinks another person's theory is wrong. Debate all you want, but don't pretend to know anything about this show that hasn't already been said by TPTB or isn't in the show itself. That's all I'm saying...

John W said...

@mistersh0w, well said. I think it's also important to remember that this was a TV show, not a novel. The writers couldn't just write out the whole thing exactly as they wanted and make sure everything tied out before publishing. Walt hit puberty earlier than expected, there was a writers strike which cut the number of episodes, Eko wanted out of his contract (and turned down an offer to be in the finale), etc. I don't think the writers ever claimed to be perfect. They did the best they could in the given circumstances. Trying to tie out every last detail or trying to find logic in a fantasy won't lead anywhere.

IWish said...

Zort, the light went out when the plug was pulled which (somehow)caused the MiB to become mortal, at which point, he was eventually killed. Evil gone.

The Charlie that visited Hurley at Santa Rosa, most likely didn't come from the afterworld...he was probably visiting from where he "move on" to...he was a much more superior Charlie than the druggie/alcoholic in the afterworld. He even wore cool sunglasses to shield his eyes from the light while traveling.

Amy Lynn said...

@seaque, so what you're saying is that the Charlie who visited Santa Rosa Hurley was the one who went to the Heaven-place at the same time Hurley?

mistersh0w said...

@Amy Lynn - Christian said that some people were there before him AND after him, the "purgatory/limbo" place is described as timeless. They most certainly were waiting for everyone in their group to die before they all passed on.

Amy Lynn said...

@mistersh0w, that's not what I asked. I asked if they had to all wait to die to get into the purgatory.

John W said...

@amy lynn - isn't it obvious what they did? They played chess at Santa Rosa! ;) Truth is, I don't know what they did. Personally, I don't think that for "spirits" time is linear (whether in the Lost world or any world). But again, that's just my impression. None of us know - only the writers do.

mistersh0w said...

@Amy Lynn - Definitely. Except for Desmond, as we were able to see him "access" this "purgatory" in S6.

The way I see it is, EVERYONE is in this purgatory. It's the place EVERYONE goes when they die. Whether you died before your friends or after, you'll all be there at some point. The people whom mattered to you most in life, in this case it was the candidates and others who affected their lives, all need to be together and "ready" to move on before they can leave the purgatory and move on to the next thing.

As soon as everyone's together, they can pass on. Just like they ALL needed to be together, or at least enough of them, to get BACK to the island in S5. Just my thoughts...

Zort70 said...

Oh yes forgot to say above, that I also think we have to accept that the limbo world has no concept of time, so things happen a logical order there, but in the real world things could look illogical because time has no meaning.

Charlie had his awakening in limbo and at some point after saw Hurley in the real world. To Charlie it was in a logical order, to Hurley (in Santa Rosa) it was in a logical order (because he didn't know any different).

Charlie died before Hurley saw him, so we know that this is logical.

If we assume there is a concept of no time once you enter limbo world, then time in the outside world also has no meaning, in theory you could pop out of limbo world at any point to do what you needed to do.

I think Charlie going to see Hurley (in Santa Rosa) may have been after he met Hurley in limbo world to ensure that Hurley went back to the island.

I know that isn't going to be popular but I support the concept of no time where things can happen

Amy Lynn said...

@mister, yes, I agree with you. The show tells us EVERYONE goes to Purgatory when you die. But we know PurgatoryCharlie didn't remember until Aaron's birth. So when, exactly did he visit Hurley? And "there's no such thing as time" is not an answer.

Zort70 said...

@seaque - I get what happened in the show, I don't 100% get what would happen if the plug was pulled forever.

MIB was then mortal so that meant he could leave and live the rest of his life.

Perhaps he thought that pulling the plug would release him in immortal form to do what he wanted, alternatively it was as simple as becoming mortal and leaving the island.

Zort70 said...

Amy, time is relative to the person viewing it. There are sound physics principles behind a place where no time exists.

Zort70 said...

As I said above I can't believe it was purgatory, just a post death limbo.

I'm not asking anyone else to believe that, it is just my opinion.

Amy Lynn said...

post death limbo is not exactly unequal to purgatory. To non religious people, it's the same thing.

Amy Lynn said...

@Zort, regarding the plug, the light was going out when the plug was pulled, right? Mother said if the light went out on the island, it would go out everywhere. Now, the implications of that, who knows.

mistersh0w said...

Also it can be said that the reason why Charlie was able to visit Hurley at Santa Rosa, was because he died on the island. Charlie could have been stuck there just like Michael, and was able to talk to Hurley because of his ability to see and talk to the dead. It can only be assumed that Michael is stuck on the island because of the bad things he did. Charlie was generally good, he never murdered anyone in cold blood, so he was able to move on to the "purgatory" shortly after he visited Hurley...

The point is, there are many factors that can be used to conclude why Charlie was able to visit Hurley, Zort has a great theory as well.. There are definitely more IN-SHOW devices to explain it rather than not.

Just my thoughts.

John W said...

@amy lynn. "There's no such thing as time" IS an answer. It's just not an answer you're able to accept. Were you this unsatisfied with the island "moving"? There's no logical explanation for that either. Or why the cabin moved around? Or why Jacob's "ghost" looked like kid to some people, but to Hurley as an adult? It's science fiction, not science fact. Not everything has a logical explanation. Lost wasn't a documentary. Let go.

IWish said...

I think that everyone in the afterworld would never leave without the light. They needed the light to "move on"...it was their means of travel to the next "place"...wherever that might be. I think that's why Jack told Des at the light cave that "this matters".

Amy Lynn said...

@mistersh0w, now THAT I like (your reasoning about Charlie dying near the island)

Zort70 said...

Yes, that's my issue what effect is the light having ?

My own personal theory is that the light or what is behind the light is the gateway to the afterlife.

The ancient people (Egyptians or whoever) managed to tap into this light at some point so they could do magical things, commune with the dead etc.

However they found out that there were consequences, like the smoke monster, like some people not being able to move into the light.

Removing the plug permanently could mean people could escape from the afterlife permanently, and that could have all sorts of nasty little implications.

mrtibbs said...

Here's a thought. Perhaps Jacob manifested himself as Charlie in a similar way to how smokie did. I admit that the show wasn't perfect, but it left me feeling satisfied, despite the dozens upon dozens of things left unanswered. It probably was a plot hole, but it doesn't leave me feeling angry or bad about the whole thing.
Everyone's different. Some people want to know why the sky is blue, for others it just is. Maybe ignorance is bliss?

Amy Lynn said...

Oh, I like Jacob as Charlie, too. Cool.

mistersh0w said...

@Amy-Lynn - You seem to know a lot about writing, then I'm sure you know about the "ticking-clock" device. Obviously once the island was completely destroyed THEN the "light would go out" everywhere. And one can assume the "light going out" is a metaphor for the end of the world right? Just because LITERALLY the light went out, doesn't mean that it's physically the LIGHT TURNING OFF that destroys the world. Surely it's the events AFTER the light goes out, the destruction of the island THEN the destruction of the world. It's not hard Amy. Again, this can all be assumed. But why must EVERY detail be spoon fed to us?! Use your imagination a little for christ's sake!

Amy Lynn said...

@mistersh0w, are you talking to me? I never had a problem with the plug/light.

John W said...

@zort, what did you make of the reddish light when the plug was out? related to the dormant volcano?

one of my theories was that the yellow light was on or part of the island, and the plug held back the (bad?) red light/energy from below. when it was released it cancelled out the "good" yellow light/energy leaving nothingness.

mistersh0w said...

@Amy - @Zort, regarding the plug, the light was going out when the plug was pulled, right? Mother said if the light went out on the island, it would go out everywhere. Now, the implications of that, who knows.

It seemed from your comment that you were unsure of what the implications of what "Mother" had said exactly about the light were...

Amy Lynn said...

@mistersh0w, sorry for the mix-up. I agree that it very well COULD be the end of the world. Could also be the loss of humanity, or all humanity being infected with the sickness, or any number of things.

IWish said...

Zort, I need this connection between the island...the light and the church/light moving on sequence. It makes the actions of Jack putting the plug back in more relevant for me.

mistersh0w said...

@Amy - Indeed. Obviously "Mother" didn't know for sure what would happen the instant that light went out, but obviously it was bad. Who knows what was happening on the mainland while the island was falling apart... Huge earthquakes? People falling ill? The point I'm making is, it shouldn't be assumed that the SECOND that light goes out, it's "Good-Night Gracie!" for the world or humanity. As we saw, it can only be assumed that once the island was completely destroyed, THEN humanity or the world was next.

Amy Lynn said...

@mistersh0w, yup, agreed. That would have made for an interesting graphic a la the island underwater.

mistersh0w said...

@Amy - Cue the fanfiction!

Amy Lynn said...

Aw, crap mistersh0w, you gave me an idea.

mrtibbs said...

Bring on the alt reality when the light does go out, smokie gets off the island and zombie season begins!

I remember whilst watching the finale that when Locke woke up from surgery as said "it worked" I thought it'd be cool if Flockes consciousness got into Locke at that point and he started reeking devastation on the world!

IWish said...

@mrtibbs...

...like this?

link

Ray said...

I want photo shop!

futureself said...

To all those like me who found the face value ending unsatisfactory, I'd like to share my resolution that has allowed me to make my peace with the end and see the whole series in new way. It answers all of the questions being asked. It is a non-religious solution (being a serious atheist the religious ending really rub me up the wrong way). This solution works for me but I'm still fine tuning so sorry if it's a bit muddled:

Story is key. As I mentioned before, Lost is made up of stories - and melds character, story arc, genre, art, literature, film, music, culture, history etc to make up the six seasons. Like Jacob's tapestry each thread makes up part of the picture but not all. The tapestry of Lost is the history of story from the beginning of time to the end. The light from the cave is inspiration.

Now, seeing Lost from this view means that the end, as it is, really fits into this theme. The ending is what is arguably the ultimate ending in so must fiction (and I include the Bible in this category). The end continues as they walk into the light, the inspiration, and into another story.

So to Des...he was special because he was exposed to inspiration. He was able to influence his own story and others around him. He was able to see Charlie's story and change it into something else. Yes, Charlie still died, but Des's influence turned his otherwise tragic and pointless deaths into the heroic one. Des was also the only one in the real world able to live out his dream life with Penny and Charlie, free from the influences of others. He was able to create happiness through his inspiration.

Now to Hurley. He too was filled with inspiration and imagination. But he didn't feel he was worthy of it and so saw the gifts of his imagination as a curse. His 'imaginary' friends helped him when he needed help. Because he saw it as a curse, he was not able to turn his story from a (quite often) black-comedy into the happy romantic tale he managed to create in FS - which he achieved presumably because his imaginative skills were finely tuned by being the new Jacob.

I think each character, each story, has been about this...realisation of their story and their ability to fulfill their genres and story arcs within the Island reality and then deconstruct their characters and resolve their stories in the FS.

Ray said...

Hey guys,

Lost U just updated with a bunch of new "news" today. Check them out! Looks like 6 or 7 new articles.

Ray said...

Awesome:

Guest Professors Confirmed for Acting SeminarEvangeline Lilly, Josh Holloway, Daniel Dae Kim, Jorge Garcia, Terry O'Quinn, Nestor Carbonell, Yunjin Kim, Henry Ian Cusick, Ken Leung and Michael Emerson have all been confirmed as guest lecturers for a special seminar in the LOST University Master's Program called "The Craft Of Acting." While all of the classes in the Master's Program will be available on the LOST Season 6 Blu-rayTM to registered students, this seminar will only be available to those who have completed the undergraduate requirements at LOST University available on the LOST Season 5 Blu-rayTM. Don't miss out on learning the art of acting from some of your favorite LOST cast members.

Ray said...

To clarify, I meant the news in the Lamp Post on the Lost U website, not in your email on the Lost U dvd.

Zort70 said...

I was just in the middle of creating a new post, and the news articles disappeared !

Ray said...

You're right.....where'd they go??

Another one worth noting is that the day the DVD comes out, there will be an Easter Egg hunt that will help us find all the Easter Eggs on the dvd. The rest were made up stories

Zort70 said...

I got a screenshot so I might create a new post anyway later.

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Zort70 said...

Weinbeeezey - Do not use language like that here. If you have a problem take it off line.

Weinbeeezy said...

@TeamJack... I guess zort won't let me write my true feelings on here. Your immaturity amazes everyone ! Sorry you don't get amazing oppurtunities like us. Growww uppp! And get off Twitter, nobody reads your stuff because you block us all after you throw your little tantrums...

@Zort. Is this one acceptable to leave up?

Zort70 said...

I would prefer you have your argument in private, I don't need the hastle of being referee.

Amy Lynn said...

with serious, profound apology to Menken/Ashman

“Under the Sea X”

The island is very happy
as long as the light can glow
You dream about sailing home, but
the island will not allow
Just think of the world’s infection,
perhaps cataclysmic end
It’s all for your own protection,
we not blowing smoke, my friend

Under the sea
Under the sea
Maybe you crash here,
maybe you flash here,
turning the key,
Off of the cliff, you take a leap
Down in the hatch, we never sleep
Dharma beer drinking
keeps us from sinking
under the sea

You come on a rigged up freighter
with only a mop and broom
Bad news about Widmore’s freighter
One death and it all goes boom
Too heavy for helicopter,
you fly on Ajira’s planes
No matter they’re rigged with duct tape,
You’ve finally escaped the chains!

Under the sea
Under the sea
Donkey wheel portal
Plus you’re immortal
Jake’s guarantee
We’ll send a friendly submarine
You drink the juice, don’t ask what it mean
We’ve got your drug here,
Just don’t unplug here
under the sea!

You can atone here
won’t die alone here
new inductee,
Even the workmen at the school
They think the statue’s groovy cool
Just a suggestion
don’t ask a question
under the sea

The doc and the Locke,
the con and the Swan,
the Kate feel the hate,
and Eko be gone,
You bleed for Sayid,
Beware crazy Claire,
and Boone the buffoon has pens,
(yeah)

The Troup left the group,
the Steve had to leave
Forgot who got shot,
but still you can grieve
To talk to Danielle
you might have to yell
The whispers freak her out

Under the sea
Under the sea
Jack likes to cry,
we never knew why,
you caged detainee
Maybe your luck is running low
Maybe you’re stuck here from long ago
Every survivor,
Looking Glass diver
under the sea
Some will be good here
some carry wood here
under the sea
Sky’s turning violet,
go get the pilot
Adam and Eve here
they’d love to leave here
Maybe you’ve tried ways
Have you tried sideways?
Under the sea

Ray said...

Haha, that was cool Amy

futureself said...

Haha - nice one Amy!

Zort70 said...

Thanks Amy.

I've created two NEW POSTS

John W said...

Love it, Amy.

mungonna said...

Amy..You are absurd in demanding LOST follow its own rules. There are no INternal rules with LOST.. My God.. They Killed off JACK,,the Man of Science,,logic and reason, THEY KILLED HIM..And he was reborn by a TOUCH.. FEEL..The only Rule of LOST has always been..FEEL IT..Nothing else has ever made sense. To see you all still struggling to apply reasosn is no longer funny,,after FEEL was made so obvious in season 6 and especially in the Finale.

You are in ALICE IN WONDERLAND and trying to apply Logic, Internal Rules , to the Cheshire Cat..
OF course its going to come off as Bad Writing if You have a Bad / Wrong perspective on it..Thats all you are doing...is perceiving WRONG so you can justify your conclusions.


I have suggested elsewhere for 6 years for Fans to read up on Surrealism and Andre Breton. The Key to Understanding LOST IS THERE,, since they have used all the motifs,, symbols and signatures of the man and his perceptive philosophy. I have suggested here and at TLC the same..
Yet.. how much easier it is to draw ill perceived conclusions than spend the Time to get it right..You are only failing yourself. Your continued " bad Writing" comments are based on Bad perception, and Bad Understanding. If You want to know the pleasure of GOOD,,from understanding,to perception to Writing,, then I suggest you read up on Surrealism and Breton...Seriously.

EWL
MEL

Ray said...

Mel:

We've moved past this.

Any one else pick up Red Dead Redemption? It's pretty sweet, but I ran around the multiplayer for an hour and still didnt really figure out what I'm supposed to be doing....

Clay said...

@Ray

Yup, I downloaded it last week. Only played it for about 15 minutes so far though. Seems like it could be decent. I just finished Metro 2033, which i thought was awesome, if you like BioShock you'll probably enjoy Metro.

mungonna said...

Ray..What,,you left her for dead? I've haven't given up Hope yet.

EWL
MEL

Team Jack said...

I had plenty of amazing Lost experiences and those of you who were a part of it, I thank you. Thankfully there ARE amazing Losties out there. It was totally worth streaming, tweeting, helping people get tickets, info, buying prints and shirts for people. Most people on here rock and are very giving and reciprocate, most aren't out for themselves. That part of Lost I love.

As for the others: Getting things signed then coming back to a line to push people out of the way to have more stuff signed? Taking gifts at parties yet not bringing any, getting free tickets to sold out Jay & Jack party yet extorting a FREE ticket to UCB by scalping the ticket for a dcaapb print... that's selfishness and immaturity. Glad I won't have to contaminate myself by being around your type again. :)

FYI Cussing someone out is yet another example of your immaturity so thank you for proving my point. I'll say what I want to my friends on Twitter, if you don't like it, don't behave in a shady way. Here's a concept: Try being a decent person for a change. And yes, I'll block you and your lacky friends when you all act like 12 year olds trying to harass me. Myob and grow up.

Sorry Zort, I do apologize to you but I had to post that. With all the lying & BS going on, I felt the truth needed to be out there. I won't say anything else on the subject on here, regardless of further lies that I'm sure will be said. You have my word.

mungonna said...

time for some Comedy I see..

YES..Miles got to deliver another small line or two in a small scene..but it was SO Great. Think about It!...Season 6 really emphasized the Importance of FEELING...having Faith in your Feelings... Feelings being Honest.. Being More of Your Truth,, Being More of Who YOU Are..thus suggesting,, placing Logic and Reason as at least a secondary influence on how you think and perceive,,if not lower.

So what do TPTB do ,,when it comes to sommething LOGIC and REASON IS Required...like fixing a busted up Air Liner?.. I mean..Science Does BUILD Airplanes..not Feelings. So what do TPTB do when it comes to fixing the Ajira Jet??? what a HOOT...cardboard and DUCT TAPE...OMG..that is hilarious.! EVEN when Logic and REASON is demanded by the circumstances..TPTB could NOT,,WOULD NOT provide IT!!!!.. The pressure of one of those hydralic lines would have blown the duct tape off in miliseconds,,as even the slowest airspeed would have blown out that cardborad window Frank was seen inserting..That was some funny schitt..not even one serious nod to Logic and Reason.

Like Miles said.." I don't believe in many things,,but I do believe in Duct Tape!!"


EWL
MEL

Weinbeeezy said...

@team Jack is a joke... Your the only one who has had a problem because you have been left out. It looks like your the immature one. You must have had parent issues... No wonder you relate to Jack...

Amy Lynn said...

Weinbeeezy and Team Jack, nobody knows what you're talking about. Unless you're joking, in which case, LOL.

John W said...

Anybody get a change in status for any of their print orders lately? My McPherson still says "Processing"

Ray said...

@John W

Just mentioned in the other post that I've got the same status still - preorder for moss and danger, processing for tara

John LaHair said...

The Candidate Cave - shipped Wednesday... received today. few pictures below.

Loving GoMerch. From ordering to shipping, they nailed it this time around.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/44153866@N02/?saved=1

The print is awesome. Gold metallic ink pushes it over the top.

Amy Lynn said...

@JPL, what's your print #?

John LaHair said...

#337.

Yes it is out 550. Posting on 2 different "comment sections" on LOSTARG's. :)

John W said...
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John W said...

oops. yeah - this conversation is getting split between the two posts.

John LaHair said...

I think I finally figured it out!!! The other post is purgatory and this post is the real world.

All comments regarding Candidate Cave can be found in "Lost University - New Man In Charge" post.

@John W. You're right on first series of posters. Artists' 50 was out of 300.

On this run, DCAAPB indicates... "limited to an edition of just 550, with 500 available to the public through our website..."

John LaHair said...

Unless we keep this thread going to 815 comments. :)

mungonna said...

815??..no problem...received #381 Burrell Candidate print today also. I'm impressed. Like the gold metallic inks..Again , a very Stain Glass look of it. Because Burrell took some of the art to the edge makes for interesting choices of frame.

Another bit of Art to reflect on..

The Bare Shoulder Kate / Claire having a Baby scene..imho..a work of ART??...Ladies how did that scene strike you? From my perspective.. the way they shot Evie.. cut her off at upper torso, with basically her bare upper chest and shoulders, upper torso,,seemed erotic..Yet there was Claire..having a baby..Was that an intentional Alpha Omega of being a female?..Sexy and erotic and the consequences of being sexy and erotic.. a visual gestalt?..what it is to be woman all rolled up in one scene.? It seemed intentional to me. What do you think?

EWL
MEL

mungonna said...

OH!! and don't forget..ABC is repeating the Finale tomorrow nite...Saturday...check local listings..i think 8pm central..So heres a chance to see it ..reborn.

EWL
MEL

Joe Stas said...

WOWEE.. Lots to read.

So, I couldn't watch the Finale until last night for various reasons. I didn't click on the internet once, didn't switch the TV or radio on and avoided people as much as humanly possible. Whoever knew avoiding spoilers would be THAT easy?

Now I'm back to the technological world, kind of.. Still waiting to get internet connected in my new flat though.

I was so pleased with the ending. I couldn't have asked for much more and I felt emotionally drained at the end.

I just wish it wasn't Kate that 'killed' Locke and I found it strange that Shannon was the one to help Sayid. Small things though in the grand scheme.

Lots of people whining. Lots of people saying "told you they were in purgatory all along" and lots of people who have got it all wrong :)

In the end, Lost was just a fantastic story with incredible characters.

I think the finale will keep at the forefront of my mind for a long time to come.

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